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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:36 pm

slowboat wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:53 pm
Winging and kite foiling complement each other beautifully. It is so much fun to be able to enjoy both. I pick what I want to do based on location and conditions.

Exactly, and often both the same day :thumb:

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby mrandrewandrade » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:45 pm

Winging also doesn't always solve access issues too. It does if you can'y launch a kite, but my local spot has straight onshore winds and a very terrible beach break since it goes from ankle deep water to overhead (causing massive plunging waves). On a twin tip I just power through the break and come out the other side. With a kite and foil, a rider can body drag/duck drive through the break and then be able to ride. I saw what happened when someone tried with a wing and foil. The wave smashed their board into their head, cut their head, broke the fuselage on the foil and then it hit the wing which got cut.

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby joekitetime » Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 pm

mrandrewandrade wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:45 pm
Winging also doesn't always solve access issues too. It does if you can'y launch a kite, but my local spot has straight onshore winds and a very terrible beach break since it goes from ankle deep water to overhead (causing massive plunging waves). On a twin tip I just power through the break and come out the other side. With a kite and foil, a rider can body drag/duck drive through the break and then be able to ride. I saw what happened when someone tried with a wing and foil. The wave smashed their board into their head, cut their head, broke the fuselage on the foil and then it hit the wing which got cut.
Excellent observation.

In a simalar break near me which I've yet to try on the wing, but it sounds like a similar launch, the wingers have learned to go upwind to launch in an area out of the break.

Different sports require different techniques for sure.

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby juandesooka » Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:59 pm

joekitetime wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 pm
mrandrewandrade wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:45 pm
Winging also doesn't always solve access issues too. It does if you can'y launch a kite, but my local spot has straight onshore winds and a very terrible beach break since it goes from ankle deep water to overhead (causing massive plunging waves). On a twin tip I just power through the break and come out the other side. With a kite and foil, a rider can body drag/duck drive through the break and then be able to ride. I saw what happened when someone tried with a wing and foil. The wave smashed their board into their head, cut their head, broke the fuselage on the foil and then it hit the wing which got cut.
Excellent observation.

In a simalar break near me which I've yet to try on the wing, but it sounds like a similar launch, the wingers have learned to go upwind to launch in an area out of the break.

Different sports require different techniques for sure.
I've yet to experience this, not looking forward to it, as being tossed in white water with a sup foil is quite out of control and dangerous! In sup foiling, the rule is once you start to wipeout, jump off and away, as you don't want to be around it getting tossed.

From what I've read, wingers in surf generally try to paddle out prone with wing trailing behind on the leash, duck diving like a surfer. Or possibly even swim beside it, pushing the board through beside them. But if there is an easy-in above or below the main wave spot, then that'll be the go -- one of our main winter spots has ugly shorepound but there is a deep water entry just upwind, that'll be the wing launch I expect.

My summer spot has 50m of kelp you need to get through to get to open water. With a twintip, you float right over it. With a kitefoil, you have to body drag over it with foil upside down (kinda freaky, but doable). That's pretty much an impossible launch for a wing, as you can't safely swim through it with the board upside down. But you can walk to the alternate launch about 100m up the beach. This spot also gets terrible wind bubbles near shore in late season, 0kt on the beach, cranking 100m outside....the wing opens up potential to paddle out and catch it, where a kite launch is impossible or unsafe -- getting in can be bad when you see the flag go limp and the bubble is extending further and further offshore. :o

Pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages, all arguments for having BOTH. I have the most toys, with a sprinter van to fit them in, so I WIN. :lol:
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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby bigtone667 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:00 am

juandesooka wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:59 pm
joekitetime wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 5:56 pm
mrandrewandrade wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:45 pm
Winging also doesn't always solve access issues too. It does if you can'y launch a kite, but my local spot has straight onshore winds and a very terrible beach break since it goes from ankle deep water to overhead (causing massive plunging waves). On a twin tip I just power through the break and come out the other side. With a kite and foil, a rider can body drag/duck drive through the break and then be able to ride. I saw what happened when someone tried with a wing and foil. The wave smashed their board into their head, cut their head, broke the fuselage on the foil and then it hit the wing which got cut.
Excellent observation.

In a simalar break near me which I've yet to try on the wing, but it sounds like a similar launch, the wingers have learned to go upwind to launch in an area out of the break.

Different sports require different techniques for sure.
I've yet to experience this, not looking forward to it, as being tossed in white water with a sup foil is quite out of control and dangerous! In sup foiling, the rule is once you start to wipeout, jump off and away, as you don't want to be around it getting tossed.

From what I've read, wingers in surf generally try to paddle out prone with wing trailing behind on the leash, duck diving like a surfer. Or possibly even swim beside it, pushing the board through beside them. But if there is an easy-in above or below the main wave spot, then that'll be the go -- one of our main winter spots has ugly shorepound but there is a deep water entry just upwind, that'll be the wing launch I expect.

My summer spot has 50m of kelp you need to get through to get to open water. With a twintip, you float right over it. With a kitefoil, you have to body drag over it with foil upside down (kinda freaky, but doable). That's pretty much an impossible launch for a wing, as you can't safely swim through it with the board upside down. But you can walk to the alternate launch about 100m up the beach. This spot also gets terrible wind bubbles near shore in late season, 0kt on the beach, cranking 100m outside....the wing opens up potential to paddle out and catch it, where a kite launch is impossible or unsafe -- getting in can be bad when you see the flag go limp and the bubble is extending further and further offshore. :o

Pros and cons, advantages and disadvantages, all arguments for having BOTH. I have the most toys, with a sprinter van to fit them in, so I WIN. :lol:
I have a sprinter van too .....
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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby matth » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:53 am

Winging reminds me of windsurfing, big clunky gear, marginal low end, and not even remotely close to range of a kite..

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby Flyboy » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:56 am

matth wrote:
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Winging reminds me of windsurfing, big clunky gear, marginal low end, and not even remotely close to range of a kite..
Not really. No mast, no boom, inflatable wings are compact. The board is bigger than a kite foil board, but not that big & one board will cover all wind ranges.
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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby OzBungy » Wed Sep 30, 2020 9:35 am

matth wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:53 am
Winging reminds me of windsurfing, big clunky gear, marginal low end, and not even remotely close to range of a kite..
It's true that the bottom end is lacking. The top end of wings is almost infinite. You can let it flutter to your heart's content. It feels a bit odd but it works just fine.

One thing I am finding is technique is king. If it's hard you're doing it wrong. The more I do it the better I get at it and the easier it becomes.

It's still half assed kite foiling, but it is satisfying to acquire new skills.

I've just come home from my first upwind run followed by a downwinder. It was nice to just stop near the beach for a short rest. On the downwind run the closeness and connection to the waves and swell is pretty appealing.

It's kind of liberating that the wing is wet at the end of a session. It rained during today's session. Who cares? The wing is already wet. I'm going to have to dry it at home. It's tiny and takes hardly any room on the drying rack. Stuff it in the bag at the end of the session and go home.

There's a certain hierarchy of half-assedness. I had a kite foiling session a few days ago and it was like "Yeeehaaah! Swooooosh!" At the same time one of the local strapless kite surfers was trying to ride. He did a lot of walking.

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby matth » Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:34 pm

Flyboy wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:56 am
matth wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:53 am
Winging reminds me of windsurfing, big clunky gear, marginal low end, and not even remotely close to range of a kite..
Not really. No mast, no boom, inflatable wings are compact. The board is bigger than a kite foil board, but not that big & one board will cover all wind ranges.
Hmmmmm the boards are massive and the wings look like they fell off a 747. The other turn off is having a sail in my face, when I first switched from WS to kiting I remember how much more open and free it felt.... That being said I'm sure I will own one eventually.....LOL

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Re: Winging is half-assed kite foiling - discuss

Postby Flyboy » Wed Sep 30, 2020 3:41 pm

matth wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:34 pm
Flyboy wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:56 am
matth wrote:
Wed Sep 30, 2020 1:53 am
Winging reminds me of windsurfing, big clunky gear, marginal low end, and not even remotely close to range of a kite..
Not really. No mast, no boom, inflatable wings are compact. The board is bigger than a kite foil board, but not that big & one board will cover all wind ranges.
Hmmmmm the boards are massive and the wings look like they fell off a 747. The other turn off is having a sail in my face, when I first switched from WS to kiting I remember how much more open and free it felt.... That being said I'm sure I will own one eventually.....LOL
All true .. but still not as cumbersome as windsurfing equipment where you really needed (at least) a couple of boards & probably a couple of masts/booms in order to cover a wide wind range. Back in the windsurfing days, the typical windsurfers vehicle was a minivan .. or even a minivan with trailer!

I do remember people saying they liked kiting because there was no sail in your face & the wing seems to me like its constantly, unavoidably, "in your face".


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