It's extraordinarily pretty, his attention to detail on the finish is commendable.Dontsink wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:20 pmIMHO the future of foiling is not stabless or more high aspect...it is this:
Half the wingspan,more maneuvrable, a hundred times safer, automatic breach control,stronger structure, infinity wing design has very interesting possibilities in reducing wingtip vortices so efficiency might be brilliant...this design solves so many issues in standard foil models.
You could design the stab as an infinity wing too,so the foil would not be a sword&dagger bearing psycho out to get ya, or stagger the main foil wings and go stabless with some stability.
Bruce is now working with the fastest IKA foil designer.
Hope it comes to market soon at a reasonable price
Those are very good points, in the video it does seem to ride fine but he is kiting,not winging or surf foiling it.fluidity wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:49 amIt's extraordinarily pretty, his attention to detail on the finish is commendable.Dontsink wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:20 pmIMHO the future of foiling is not stabless or more high aspect...it is this:
Half the wingspan,more maneuvrable, a hundred times safer, automatic breach control,stronger structure, infinity wing design has very interesting possibilities in reducing wingtip vortices so efficiency might be brilliant...this design solves so many issues in standard foil models.
You could design the stab as an infinity wing too,so the foil would not be a sword&dagger bearing psycho out to get ya, or stagger the main foil wings and go stabless with some stability.
Bruce is now working with the fastest IKA foil designer.
Hope it comes to market soon at a reasonable price
However I think the design is a bit stink for working the limits of low stall speed which is important for winging. If I'm wrong, be prepared to see the return of biplanes like the Wright brothers pioneered.
The problem for low speed is that in the box design, like with a biplane, the top lifting surface is in the vertical shadow of the bottom wing, which is already pushing water down. So the top wing gets less lift than it would if it were running independently. The bottom wing has a downforce of water on it from the top wing so it gets less lift. The advantage is manouverability improvement from width reduction but you need to move faster to get the same lift as you would with the lifting area in one wing of the same chord but double the span. Go fast enough and the difference become less significant as the water has less time to react to the box wing. But slow- bad choice.
Well there are plenty of unstable aircraft in aviation, fighters.So the fact that you CAN a foil stabless even with a negative pitching effect profile/wing, is true, and quite different from gliders and aircraft IMO
Unstable aircraft (notably canard config fighters) rely heavily on fly-by-wire tech,with computers constantly adjusting flight surfaces even to maintain straight and level flight,with no pilot input.Even airliners are using this "digital stability" to a lesser degree.purdyd wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:59 pmWell there are plenty of unstable aircraft in aviation, fighters.So the fact that you CAN a foil stabless even with a negative pitching effect profile/wing, is true, and quite different from gliders and aircraft IMO
And I am seeing a trend with stabilizers where the downward lift is decreasing from shorter fuselages, chopping, shimming, and even design.
So basically trading stability for reduced drag and maneuverability,
From a pure lift to drag standpoint I am not convinced that stabless has an advantage.
But I am not sure has anyone truly designed and optimized a foil for stabless?
Can you pump stabless?
The unicycle versus bicycle analogy is a good one.
The box wing is interesting but I wonder why it incorporates a stabilizer on the above implementation?
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