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Windows - Cold Temps

Postby irwe » Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:36 pm

Caution !!!
Using your Wings with windows could result in Window damage with minus Celsius use.

I was aware of the possibility of Window damage as I had heard that Naish had switched from the napsack style stoarge bags to a Windsurf style roll bag to avoid creasing/tearing the Windows in freezing temperatures.

Last week after a day of SnowWinging in - 10 C weather I was carefully putting away my Gong Pulse2 Wings avoiding to fold the Windows and the clear windows just cracked without putting any folds in the windows.

The same thing happened to a Gaastra Cross Wing with Windows in my area on the same day.

I have owned 2 KiteWings for 3 years and have not had any issues with them.

The current material used for the Wing Windows does not seem to hold up in freezing temperatures.

I will speak to Gong and hopefully they can assist me with this isssue.
I take extremely good care of all my gear.
The photograph of the Window has a green board behind it so the crack and tear can easily been seen.
I would like to know if anyone else has had problems with the Windows cracking in cold temperatures.
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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:39 pm

Nice to know there is a risk of our windows in colder temperatures :o

We had minus 20 degree last morning also, here.

But I doubt Gong will replace or repair your wing, as this is not what makes sense for low cost internet only distribution products.

Clear tape as repair?

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby fluidity » Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:41 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:39 pm
But I doubt Gong will replace or repair your wing, as this is not what makes sense for low cost internet only distribution products.
Actually when Gong cut out the middle man that lets them sell higher than what the middle man would buy for. I've heard they use that excuse but it's not valid.
My naish got a little crack in it over the end of winter. Temperatures would have been no lower than 5 degrees celscius though.

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby irwe » Sun Feb 14, 2021 1:18 pm

I have heard from a Local Kite/Wing repair guy in the area that he received 8 Wing Window repairs this week! And there are at least 3 other reputable repair places in my region so it would be interesting to know the extent of the problem.

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby StellaBlu » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:12 pm

Naish issued new bags for its wings specifically because of this issue. The bags prevent the wing from being folded which they say causes creases and tears. Unfortunately this seems to be a known issue with windows and cold weather.

Seems like there is a sweet spot between including a window large enough to improve visibility but small enough not to inhibit packing the wing down.

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby irwe » Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:04 pm

I believe the issue is not the size of the Window (for LEI) Wings but the material used. All of the current Windows on the market will crack/tear in minus Celsius conditions even if not folded.

I have used Windsurfing sails on my Snowfer's for the past 35 years and have never had an issue with the Windows.
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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby Cab Driver » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:32 pm

irwe wrote:
Sat Feb 13, 2021 1:36 pm
Caution !!!
Using your Wings with windows could result in Window damage with minus Celsius use.

I was aware of the possibility of Window damage as I had heard that Naish had switched from the napsack style stoarge bags to a Windsurf style roll bag to avoid creasing/tearing the Windows in freezing temperatures.

Last week after a day of SnowWinging in - 10 C weather I was carefully putting away my Gong Pulse2 Wings avoiding to fold the Windows and the clear windows just cracked without putting any folds in the windows.

The same thing happened to a Gaastra Cross Wing with Windows in my area on the same day.

I have owned 2 KiteWings for 3 years and have not had any issues with them.

The current material used for the Wing Windows does not seem to hold up in freezing temperatures.

I will speak to Gong and hopefully they can assist me with this isssue.
I take extremely good care of all my gear.
The photograph of the Window has a green board behind it so the crack and tear can easily been seen.
I would like to know if anyone else has had problems with the Windows cracking in cold temperatures.
Keep in mind that windows can be made of different materials. Vinyl (PVC) is weaker and has more stretch that TPU. A design could have film or "x-ply" laminated film as well. At Cabrinha, we are using TPU windows in our new Mantis wing. TPU is more durable and pliable than Vinyl. I don't have specifics on below freezing temperatures, but here is a quote from http://www.tpufilmcn.com/news/145, "PVC material is simple and hard in winter, and the cold resistance of tpu film is very outstanding. Even at minus 35 degrees, flexibility, ambiguity and other functions do not deteriorate."

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby foilfun » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:35 am

Oklahoma has been experiencing a real winter this year. We had air temps -15*F at night. We went winging one day in 5*F (-15 C) with our Unit wings. We rode for several hours.
--no cracks
--made sure not to bend the window at all while it was cold. Rolled it up at home after it warmed up in the house.
--less snow is more fun (less work), unlike in snow kiting
--more power is more fun (less work) (rode 4&6 in 30ish and 6 was more fun)
--skis seemed like more fun (less work) than snowboards
--speed was very fun because of the amount of control while edging hard, even in the sketchy places
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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby foilfun » Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:35 am

:)

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Re: Windows - Cold Temps

Postby Thatspeck » Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:37 am

Clear "rail saver" material for SUP's works perfectly for repairing cracked wing windows. It's going to happen, foil on!


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