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New wingfoiler ideas on how to learn pumping

Postby alexglebov » Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:03 pm

I am kite foiler that started wing foil last year. I am out of shape, over 50 years old and 220 lbs heavy and I found that the most difficult part for me that initial take off when board gets on foil. Once I am on foil, I am fine, but that pumping motion was a big secret to me. I was able to get on foil from time to time, but it was random and I had no idea how to repeat it. Yesterday I had a break through session when I figure out what works for me and was able to get up on foil consistently on every tack. I just want to share my ideas, so maybe this can be helpful for other beginners who also struggle.
I knew that I need to pump the board and wing at the same time, but I was doing this wrong - I just press on the front of the board and rear of the board with my feet and that would kill the board speed and I got nothing from that. Here are my steps on how I am getting on foil:
1. Going upwind first and edging the board a little
2. When you feel a good gust, try to catch it with the front hand by raising it and moving forward, it feels like scooping motion, this should turn the board more downwind and you feel your speed increase, bear off is how they say.
3. Make sure your board is flat, no more edging now - this is very important for me.
4. Time to pump now, here is a new pumping motion that I found worked for me: instead of pressing on the front foil wing, slide your board forward with both your feet using wing as a leverage (this is pumping motion with the wing)
5. The foil will force the nose of board up, so now you press the front of the board with the front foot to level it. Be extra careful to not submerge the nose of the board - this would kill the board speed. At the same time reset position of the wing by pushing it away, so it is ready to be used as leverage again.
6. Slide the board again, so basically repeat step 4, then 5. Sliding the board forward should look like the dock start, but instead of your hands you use your feet.
7. Once the board is up on foil, try to move it slightly upwind, this move will make the board more level and allow you to pick up the speed. If you stay downwind, then your wing will have little power and is not support you, so you would feel unstable. That little move with your board upwind, will bring wind into the wing and now you can lean backward against the wing and you see your speed increase, this also make your foil more level and not jump up.

These are just my thoughts on something that worked for me. Please share what works for you.

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Re: New wingfoiler ideas on how to learn pumping

Postby fluidity » Mon Feb 15, 2021 6:37 am

alexglebov wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:03 pm
These are just my thoughts on something that worked for me. Please share what works for you.
No foiling experience for me before winging though I can kite and windsurf. I'm a similar weight to you, 54 years old.
Wing handling will depend a lot on the wing span, thickness and conditions.
Here's where I'd explain slightly differently to you:
1. Don't edge at all, keep feet close to centreline of the board. If you try to edge like wind surfing or kite surfing you are creating un-needed turbulence around the mast. Off foil stand up to go up wind, it's much harder when kneeling.
2.When you see a gust coming, stretch the wing and your hands forward to have a longer back-power-stroke for that first pull.
3. Totally agree! (don't edge)
4. For me, I don't do it your way. Instead I pulse/stamp my back foot down and I try to be as light on my feet as possible, basically I am heaving my body up with the board nose high and then letting both feet rise up towards my body to let the board to ride a gentle ramp forward. I can't pump the hand wing as much as I can the hydrofoil but a couple of bigger sweeps do wonders to get me up.
5. As soon as you don't hear the under side of the board slapping against waves, level it off. You will rapidly increase speed just from the wind now so don't loose your progress by trying to climb a steep hill when you can climb a gentle slope.
6. Not my technique :-D
7. Pretty much agree. But some people try edging the board with feet out to the sides. It uses the mast and foil inefficiently and can cause aeration of the mast and foil. Once on foil, if you need to head up wind get your flying altitude skills up to scratch and then tilt over with the foil like the foil is sitting on a cambered road. This lets the large surface of the foil and efficient assymetric lift profile work in your favor by lining up it's lift vector with your combination vectors of weight and wind power.

And I'll add:
8. When overpowered raise your wing more overhead.
9. When going downwind raise your wing more overhead.

I haven't quite got wave riding holding only the front handle of the wing sorted yet but I'm working on it :-D

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Re: New wingfoiler ideas on how to learn pumping

Postby dirk8037 » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:31 pm

Is it not a little bit like doing an Ollie on the skateboard. Although you have something to hold on to.
Kicking in the back, kind of jumping at the same time and then shoving the board forward and up with the front foot?
(I always felt completely retarded when trying that cause missing the coordination)

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Re: New wingfoiler ideas on how to learn pumping

Postby adriatic » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:22 pm

alexglebov wrote:
Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:03 pm
I am kite foiler that started wing foil last year. I am out of shape, over 50 years old and 220 lbs heavy and I found that the most difficult part for me that initial take off when board gets on foil. Once I am on foil, I am fine, but that pumping motion was a big secret to me. I was able to get on foil from time to time, but it was random and I had no idea how to repeat it. Yesterday I had a break through session when I figure out what works for me and was able to get up on foil consistently on every tack. I just want to share my ideas, so maybe this can be helpful for other beginners who also struggle.
I knew that I need to pump the board and wing at the same time, but I was doing this wrong - I just press on the front of the board and rear of the board with my feet and that would kill the board speed and I got nothing from that. Here are my steps on how I am getting on foil:
1. Going upwind first and edging the board a little
2. When you feel a good gust, try to catch it with the front hand by raising it and moving forward, it feels like scooping motion, this should turn the board more downwind and you feel your speed increase, bear off is how they say.
3. Make sure your board is flat, no more edging now - this is very important for me.
4. Time to pump now, here is a new pumping motion that I found worked for me: instead of pressing on the front foil wing, slide your board forward with both your feet using wing as a leverage (this is pumping motion with the wing)
5. The foil will force the nose of board up, so now you press the front of the board with the front foot to level it. Be extra careful to not submerge the nose of the board - this would kill the board speed. At the same time reset position of the wing by pushing it away, so it is ready to be used as leverage again.
6. Slide the board again, so basically repeat step 4, then 5. Sliding the board forward should look like the dock start, but instead of your hands you use your feet.
7. Once the board is up on foil, try to move it slightly upwind, this move will make the board more level and allow you to pick up the speed. If you stay downwind, then your wing will have little power and is not support you, so you would feel unstable. That little move with your board upwind, will bring wind into the wing and now you can lean backward against the wing and you see your speed increase, this also make your foil more level and not jump up.

These are just my thoughts on something that worked for me. Please share what works for you.
I think your description is pretty much spot on.
I would only add, specially for high-aspect/thin/small foils, the need to get some board speed via "shallow" arm pumps (aka a series of high-frequency/small-amplitude wing-only pumps) before the actual full pumping motion.


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