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SAB 799 Balz Muller or SAB W940 for waves

Postby happywizz » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:50 pm

Hi,

I have a W950 now which I think is great for flat water or small waves but now I want to have something smaller and less prone to ventilating for bigger (4ft+) waves. Will the SAB799 BM do the job or is the SAB W940 a better choice? I really like the more compact shape of the 799, seems less dangerous when getting in and out of the shore break which I find the most nasty aspect of winging.
As a side note, I don't care for jumping with it.
I'm 75 kg.

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Re: SAB 799 BALZ MULLER or SAB W940 for waves

Postby gmb13 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:52 pm

The 799 actually has shaper trailing edges than the 940 which has rounded edges. The 940 is the better wave foil in my opionion, especially in faster bigger waves. The 799 is bigger and more of an alround foil.

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Re: SAB 799 BALZ MULLER or SAB W940 for waves

Postby happywizz » Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:24 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:52 pm
The 799 actually has shaper trailing edges than the 940 which has rounded edges. The 940 is the better wave foil in my opionion, especially in faster bigger waves. The 799 is bigger and more of an alround foil.

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HI Gunnar,
Thx for quick reply! Seems when you are not on the water you are online :)

Anyhow. If I would combine 2 foils, one for light conditions, small waves and one for 18+ knots and 4ft+ waves, what would be a optimal combi? (With the F700-HS) Would it be:

A: W945 + W940
B: W950 + W940
C: W945 + 799BP
D: W950 + 799BP
E: W945 + W800 (F700-HS??)

PS
Im using the Ensis 5.2 as my biggest wing. I need some windspeed to get it going on the 950 it seems. I think in one off your videos you said the 945 has a even lower take off speed then the 950 (despite of having less surface area), so this might be a better choice?

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Re: SAB 799 BALZ MULLER or SAB W940 for waves

Postby gmb13 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:56 am

happywizz wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:24 pm
gmb13 wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:52 pm
The 799 actually has shaper trailing edges than the 940 which has rounded edges. The 940 is the better wave foil in my opionion, especially in faster bigger waves. The 799 is bigger and more of an alround foil.

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Gunnar
HI Gunnar,
Thx for quick reply! Seems when you are not on the water you are online :)

Anyhow. If I would combine 2 foils, one for light conditions, small waves and one for 18+ knots and 4ft+ waves, what would be a optimal combi? (With the F700-HS) Would it be:

A: W945 + W940
B: W950 + W940
C: W945 + 799BP
D: W950 + 799BP
E: W945 + W800 (F700-HS??)

PS
Im using the Ensis 5.2 as my biggest wing. I need some windspeed to get it going on the 950 it seems. I think in one off your videos you said the 945 has a even lower take off speed then the 950 (despite of having less surface area), so this might be a better choice?
If Waves are your main thing, then W945 and W940 with S370.

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Re: SAB 799 Balz Muller or SAB W940 for waves

Postby happywizz » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 am

This week tried the W945 and the W940

Edited: With S483 stabilizer

W945 with F1 Strike 3.5, 7+ft waves, 22+ knts wind
W940 with 4.5 Ensis, flat water, 18 knts wind

W945---------------------------------------------------------------------------W950
loose, easy to switch to different sides----------------------------------carving (when in a curve, its stays in a curve)
no-ventilation----------------------------------------------------------------ventilation in waves
low take off speed----------------------------------------------------------higher take off speed
take off gradually-----------------------------------------------------------take off yes/no
moderate speed-------------------------------------------------------------higher speed, but not for speed riding, i would guess max 20 knts
less stable, but stable enough for one used to foil--------------------very stable
good for swell/waves------------------------------------------------------ good for flat water
waves max 7 ft because of speed limit----------------------------------easy swell or non steep waves
pumping ok (but im a beginner)------------------------------------------easy to pump, build up speed
good for beginner because of easy take off and low end-------------good for beginner when having enough wind because its very stable and stays in a curve, needs more speed

Although I tried the W940 with complete different conditions than the W945 (I got it one day later) here is my opinion.

W940 compared to W945
far more loose
quite faster
take off no problem (75 kg), but needs more speed than the W945, and a bit more than the W950
less stable, as a beginner i found it a bit more challenging to gibe and switch feet, but still easy enough
when foiling its no problem to keep it going when the wind is failing a bit
pumping is ok, but less than the 945
works great in big waves, going fast down the wave there is no problem with too much front pressure

What to buy?
I hate ventilation and as I like the loose feel, low take off speed for low wind conditions I prefer the W945 over W950
Happy to combine W945 with the W940 for progression and 4+ ft waves

So good advice from Gunnar
Last edited by happywizz on Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:56 pm, edited 4 times in total.

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Re: SAB 799 Balz Muller or SAB W940 for waves

Postby Frankieboy » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:42 am

which stab did you use with the different wings?

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Re: SAB 799 Balz Muller or SAB W940 for waves

Postby happywizz » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:50 am

Frankieboy wrote:
Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:42 am
which stab did you use with the different wings?
S483


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