633 is width on front wing and it have 1200cm2 surfacefluidity wrote: 633 is not the square cm in area? I am almost 115kg and my newest wing design is only 765 sq cm. If I can plane my board then I can foil on the wing but it does have minimal roll stability, I am putting a little more excersise in small fast movements to keep under control, it would make a good mid wind wing for someone 75kg or lighter. I think it would not be a good learning wing for anyone more than 40kg though, it's high aspect.
I have looked the 633 up. The aspect ratio is extremely low. I have tried this experiment on a foil early on to see what would happen and the problem is not so much surface drag, but drag from the wing tip vorticies. There are ways to design a wing so that this does not happen but in this wing it looks to be a substantial drag issue. With a kite, it affects the size of kite you need but not your strength and tenacity as the pull of the kite can be more than 80% through your harness, the arm load is light. But for this front foil and wing surfing, you will tire much faster. The small winglets will reduce wing tip vorticies a small amount but you will not go consistently fast enough to reduce them significantly. A rider will have enough to get the taste for winging but will be significantly handicapped on ease of sessions by the high drag of the foil which will be borne by the arms.SolarSet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:09 am633 is width on front wing and it have 1200cm2 surfacefluidity wrote: 633 is not the square cm in area? I am almost 115kg and my newest wing design is only 765 sq cm. If I can plane my board then I can foil on the wing but it does have minimal roll stability, I am putting a little more excersise in small fast movements to keep under control, it would make a good mid wind wing for someone 75kg or lighter. I think it would not be a good learning wing for anyone more than 40kg though, it's high aspect.
not an expert in foil design nor ridden W633 but to my understanding low aspect of this foil wing make it very playful and agile in turns at some cost of max speed but people are reporting to go pretty fast on W633 for size on wing.fluidity wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:14 amI have looked the 633 up. The aspect ratio is extremely low. I have tried this experiment on a foil early on to see what would happen and the problem is not so much surface drag, but drag from the wing tip vorticies. There are ways to design a wing so that this does not happen but in this wing it looks to be a substantial drag issue. With a kite, it affects the size of kite you need but not your strength and tenacity as the pull of the kite can be more than 80% through your harness, the arm load is light. But for this front foil and wing surfing, you will tire much faster. The small winglets will reduce wing tip vorticies a small amount but you will not go consistently fast enough to reduce them significantly. A rider will have enough to get the taste for winging but will be significantly handicapped on ease of sessions by the high drag of the foil which will be borne by the arms.SolarSet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 8:09 am633 is width on front wing and it have 1200cm2 surfacefluidity wrote: 633 is not the square cm in area? I am almost 115kg and my newest wing design is only 765 sq cm. If I can plane my board then I can foil on the wing but it does have minimal roll stability, I am putting a little more excersise in small fast movements to keep under control, it would make a good mid wind wing for someone 75kg or lighter. I think it would not be a good learning wing for anyone more than 40kg though, it's high aspect.
I winged and kited on the Moses 790 for a season, amidst other foils to test. Sadly I'd say, or maybe not sadly, foils have progressed impressively. And, as someone has pointed out in this thread, kite foiling is different than wing foiling in that whereas the kite provides mega power 98% of the time, the wing provides 0% of the power 20% of the time. That being said, being one of the addicts who kites 50% of the time and wings 50% of the time, and rides the same board/foil often, I can agree wholeheartedly with other posters who make this conclusion: you need mega power when winging with foils designed for kiting - with one exception - Mike's Lab. His foil designs are just off the richter, and his top riders are now interchanging his super high aspect foils for either sport. His foils have such incredible lift and low stall speed that they work for either - they can handle high speeds for kiting, and slow speeds for winging. Guys are now having two boards built - one for winging and one for kiting - but using the same foil to slap on to the board for the day's conditions.galewarning wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 2:47 pmUpdate: Friend of mine is going to let me use his Moses W790 front wing. Supposedly it will bolt to the Phantasm fuse. Will soon find out next week...
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