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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Lamilu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:03 am

The “sitting on the board” surfboard style is certainly more stable than any other position I tried.
It freed bouth hands to fly the wing…
Would love to understand all variations to this method…seen a video from Alan Cadiz doing just that…tried it…but didnt have enough wind and flexibility I guess…
A handle close to the nose of the board would also have been very very helpfull, to use the wing to stabilize the board, since grabbing didnt work…am considering ways to get something glued or wraped there…

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby StellaBlu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 1:53 pm

Look up the stinkbug start method. A powered sail and some board speed add stability. The goal is to eliminate or minimize the time during which you are on your knees but the sail isn't yet powered. Here are the steps:

- Lay on your chest on the board holding the sail downwind with your downwind hand.
- While on your chest, move the wing over you (you will be under the wing) and move the front handle to your upwind hand. Strut should be right in front of your face and the wing should not be powered.
- Grab the nose of the board with your downwind hand to stabilize it.
- Push up onto your knees. At this point you should be holding the front wing handle with your upwind hand, and the downwind rail of the board with your downwind hand. I also use my upwind arm elbow to stabilize the upwind rail of the board. Wing should not be powered.
- Once you are stable here, grab the back handle with your downwind hand and raise to an elevated kneeling position.
- Power the sail as quickly as possible to gain some board speed.
- Once the board starts to gain some speed and stabilize, rise to your feet.

Regarding your hands slipping, try some surfboard wax, or use the hexatraction stickers.

Im 80kg and use this as my start with a 60L board.

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:22 pm

Disagree...

For a beginner totally new to wingfoil, the Stinkbug start is not easy :o

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby StellaBlu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:30 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 3:22 pm
Disagree...

For a beginner totally new to wingfoil, the Stinkbug start is not easy :o

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you would be correct IF he was on a properly sized board, but he wrote his destiny by buying a board that was too low volume for a beginner. On a volume neutral board, a standard knee start is going to be too challenging for a beginner and he needs to do stinkbug. Stinkbug is not necessary for a more advanced rider on a neutral board, or a beginner on a positive 20+ board, but it is absolutely easier than the alternatives at this weight/volume.

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Lamilu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:40 pm

Stinkbug is the option I guess...
The other one I saw was sitting and standing Alan Cadiz style...but I believe it would require lots of wind...
My gratest difficulty was grabbing the convex high volume slippery nose of a Reedin 112 liters.
Inserts to add a handle or strap near the nose would have been a great design improvement in my modest opinion.
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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby StellaBlu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:50 pm

Lamilu wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:40 pm
Stinkbug is the option I guess...
The other one I saw was sitting and standing Alan Cadiz style...but I believe it would require lots of wind...
My gratest difficulty was grabbing the convex high volume slippery nose of a Reedin 112 liters.
Inserts to add a handle or strap near the nose would have been a great design improvement in my modest opinion.
Thanks All
I know the Cadiz style you are talking about, but it requires a ton of hip flexibility. You need to be able to get your feet onto the board while on your butt. I've tried and it was nearly impossible for me from a flexibility standpoint. I think he uses the wing to get a bit of loft to get to his feet, but the hip flexibility is still a prerequisite. Alan makes things look easy that aren't easy - and I feel like this is definitely one of them.

Try the hexatraction stickers on the nose rails of the board for more grip.

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Lamilu » Mon Jun 06, 2022 8:35 pm

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Lets hope it helps...

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Trent hink » Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:53 pm

These might work to put a handle wherever you want:
http://www.northshoreinc.com/store/pc/v ... roduct=159
Lamilu wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 5:40 pm
Stinkbug is the option I guess...
The other one I saw was sitting and standing Alan Cadiz style...but I believe it would require lots of wind...
My gratest difficulty was grabbing the convex high volume slippery nose of a Reedin 112 liters.
Inserts to add a handle or strap near the nose would have been a great design improvement in my modest opinion.
Thanks All

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Lamilu » Tue Jun 07, 2022 12:36 am

Trent hink wrote:
Mon Jun 06, 2022 9:53 pm
These might work to put a handle wherever you want:

Perfect.. :thumb:

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Re: Getting up On Weight = Volume Board

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Jun 07, 2022 8:27 am

Lamilu, a bit baffled why you need to hang onto the nose of the board???

Most climb on the board sideways, having the wing in the front handle, maybe grabbing the leeward edge maybe not.
Boards have good grip at the center so you can often climb up using the grip.

See this video (the only one I could find fast) from 4:40 and forward.

Only difference is you should (IMO) never let the wing go to the leash, hold the front handle instead, right or left hand whatever you prefer at a given tack.
Some of us have our shinns more diagonal over the board, but only difference.
Works fine for boards a tad smaller than your weight, and up.



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