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Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Jyoder » Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:31 pm

Now that I’m getting better at light wind pumping starts I’ve discovered I actually like winging in 10-15knots. The lighter wind means less air drag and chop when turning upwind and so I was able to make a lot of progress perfecting tacks and experimenting with starting to attempt back winded 360. Big light board and foil means I can crash repeatedly, hop back on and go without much struggle to restart— decreasing the opportunity cost of attempting new things. Sure I could be on a smaller board, but then it takes that much more effort to restart so I stop trying stuff.

75kg rider. 67x27x6 150liter board, Sabfoil 1100/450/82cm mast, Duotone Echo 5m

Yesterday I was never slogging waiting for wind more than a min and could tack with foot switch 80-100% each side after ~30 crashes or so. Getting dialed in feels super good after feeling like a wobbly colt compared to being skilled kitefoiler. I can finally see why some have gone full wing and quit kiting, though I don’t plan to.

Don’t give up the big board and big foil too soon, it may slow your progression!
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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby dkazhdan » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 pm

i am sure its been asked a few times already, does your kite foiling background help you in any way with your learning to wing?
thanks

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:57 pm

dkazhdan wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 pm
i am sure its been asked a few times already, does your kite foiling background help you in any way with your learning to wing?
thanks

Yes it does, you will learn fast, compared to those not having foiled before, it's also a lot easier and not as rodeo/sensitive as a kitefoil :thumb:

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Axis1050 » Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:00 pm

Agree 100% about the big board, it also helps in light wind to get good board speed for HA wings.
I foil and fly with Axis ART 1099 from 8kn at 76kg plus winter wetsuit. And when experimenting less time in freezing water.

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Lamilu » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:08 am

I had today an eye opening experience on a board that I believe will be perfect for light wind in the 10 to 15 kn....
It wasnt so much about volume...
Sure few liters above your weight helps...
But Width...
Even with the board being only 10 or 15 liters more than my weight, 30 inches wide, with rails you could grab, made me stand and almost fly in my first lesson...
WIDE...gave me what I was hoping for a lot sooner...
Dont now the implications of this as I progress...

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Jyoder » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:35 am

dkazhdan wrote:
Mon Jun 13, 2022 10:50 pm
i am sure its been asked a few times already, does your kite foiling background help you in any way with your learning to wing?
thanks
If you are skilled kitefoiler, Absolutely. Everything comes much quicker because all you have to learn is how to use the wing, and adjust muscle memory a bit to big slow board and foil. Feels like foiling in slow motion. Can be quite relaxing, almost fall asleep 😴 😂

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby Jyoder » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:45 am

Lamilu wrote:
Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:08 am
I had today an eye opening experience on a board that I believe will be perfect for light wind in the 10 to 15 kn....
It wasnt so much about volume...
Sure few liters above your weight helps...
But Width...
Even with the board being only 10 or 15 liters more than my weight, 30 inches wide, with rails you could grab, made me stand and almost fly in my first lesson...
WIDE...gave me what I was hoping for a lot sooner...
Dont now the implications of this as I progress...
Yes, the benefit of being able to just crawl on the board, stand up and go without much effort is incredible for learning.

Last year I moved too quickly to small wingfoil board and fast foil and became too scared to try new things due to difficulty starting. I quit wingfoiling as it was too hard to progress and needed too much wind with small setup when I could have more fun kitefoiling. This year I tried again with big slow board and foil and am having a blast advancing with easy setup, also ride with my son on board with me. I kitefoil on pocketboard and race foil, so I don’t need to try to emulate that on wingfoil yet… instead focus on a different kind of riding experience.
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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby grigorib » Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:56 am

I’m within my first 50 sessions on a wingfoil.
Session 10 was a breakthrough when I certainly stayed upwind and did do you big jibes majority of time.
Session 12 was a switch to a -10 sinker and I cursed quite a bit but then flew just fine. Never going back to a + board
Session 20 was on brand new 2200 cm² wing and longer, 90cm mast and I loved that I can ride in pre-whitecaps conditions.

Large wings are fun for lightwind. I’m taking the 1400 cm² wing for whitecaps and up
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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby irwe » Tue Jun 14, 2022 11:52 am

Agree, the larger volume board is still useful when Winging. I have a Wing Buddie who went to a much smaller volume board and now all he does is "bitch" about what a terrible seesion he had. Mean while I take a big volume board out on light wind days or when I am practising new moves and have a fun time. Which to me is what it's all about.

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Re: Okay, 10-15knot winging is actually fun!

Postby RadDrDuke » Tue Jun 14, 2022 3:53 pm

I wing in 10-15 knots daily, agree it's very fun and even great for waveriding. 75kg, 75L board, 5m wing, big foil (axis 1010).

As you stated, learning how to pump (foil and wing) is really the key if you want to ride more performance gear.
If you want to just "sheet in and go" as most beginners do then you'll need a massive wing -maybe 8m?- and a huge board and huge foil.


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