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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby Peter_Frank » Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 am

bigtone667 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:43 am
JZB wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:53 am
bigtone667 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:58 am
I am 242lbs and almost 60 ..... I started in 2019 on the 8'0 Naish Hover. I had the original Naish XXL foil and had no issues getting going in 20 knots on the original 5 metre Duotone.

These days I ride the AXIS 1120 (2100cm2), a 125L One Ocean board, 6.5m DLAB Unit on 10 knot days and I am able to get going without too many issues.

The smallest board I ride is a 51 litre Slingshot Skywalker with the AXIS 1120 normally in 15+ knots ......

Weight only becomes a limitation in 15 knots or below when you are first learning. Primarily you are working super hard to unstick the board from the water. Once you get some experience, then even 10 to 15 knots is fun.

Stats:
67 Yrs 6"4' 238 lbs 130 L board SAB 899 999 1250
Wings Strike 8m DLab 6.5 5.5

Coming to the conclusion that I don't need the 8 m anymore. Today I was out in Max 15 mph average 12 and could foil with 6.5 DLab 1250 Moses. Downside is the 1250 is slow. It seems I can pump more efficiently with the 6.5 than the 8, plus the smaller wing is more pleasant to use. Also tried the new Slick 7 SLS today, I saw no advantage over the Dlab and went back to the 6.5 m. I can not get going sub 15 mph on the 999.

The differences here are nuances here and having others to compare notes with very helpful. Looking to drop down to a 110 board soon. Also pumping skills are critical and I constantly try alternative methods to get on foil.

The 8 m is heavy and big and waiting for a gust can wear you down. Would like to understand why I believe the 6.5 m DLab feels more effective than 8m.
I retired my 7m Slick and now use the 6.5 DLAB as my big wing. I only use the 1120 foil wing and change up the fuselage length and rear wing to get variation.

Learn the stink bug start. It will make the 110 litre board really easy to get up on.


1120 foil wing - is that span or surface area?

8) Peter

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby JZB » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:33 am

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby Peter_Frank » Sat Jun 25, 2022 7:53 am

JZB wrote:
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Span

Sorry, yes it was posted, 2100 cm2 area 1120 cm span :thumb:

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby bigtone667 » Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:45 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:47 am
bigtone667 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:43 am
JZB wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:53 am



Stats:
67 Yrs 6"4' 238 lbs 130 L board SAB 899 999 1250
Wings Strike 8m DLab 6.5 5.5

Coming to the conclusion that I don't need the 8 m anymore. Today I was out in Max 15 mph average 12 and could foil with 6.5 DLab 1250 Moses. Downside is the 1250 is slow. It seems I can pump more efficiently with the 6.5 than the 8, plus the smaller wing is more pleasant to use. Also tried the new Slick 7 SLS today, I saw no advantage over the Dlab and went back to the 6.5 m. I can not get going sub 15 mph on the 999.

The differences here are nuances here and having others to compare notes with very helpful. Looking to drop down to a 110 board soon. Also pumping skills are critical and I constantly try alternative methods to get on foil.

The 8 m is heavy and big and waiting for a gust can wear you down. Would like to understand why I believe the 6.5 m DLab feels more effective than 8m.
I retired my 7m Slick and now use the 6.5 DLAB as my big wing. I only use the 1120 foil wing and change up the fuselage length and rear wing to get variation.

Learn the stink bug start. It will make the 110 litre board really easy to get up on.


1120 foil wing - is that span or surface area?

8) Peter
AXIS do all their stuff by span ..... the 1120 BSC is a 2100cm2 wing.

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby Lamilu » Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:46 pm

JZB wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 4:53 am
bigtone667 wrote:
Fri Jun 24, 2022 1:58 am
I am 242lbs and almost 60 ..... I started in 2019 on the 8'0 Naish Hover. I had the original Naish XXL foil and had no issues getting going in 20 knots on the original 5 metre Duotone.

These days I ride the AXIS 1120 (2100cm2), a 125L One Ocean board, 6.5m DLAB Unit on 10 knot days and I am able to get going without too many issues.

The smallest board I ride is a 51 litre Slingshot Skywalker with the AXIS 1120 normally in 15+ knots ......

Weight only becomes a limitation in 15 knots or below when you are first learning. Primarily you are working super hard to unstick the board from the water. Once you get some experience, then even 10 to 15 knots is fun.

Stats:
67 Yrs 6"4' 238 lbs 130 L board SAB 899 999 1250
Wings Strike 8m DLab 6.5 5.5

Coming to the conclusion that I don't need the 8 m anymore. Today I was out in Max 15 mph average 12 and could foil with 6.5 DLab 1250 Moses. Downside is the 1250 is slow. It seems I can pump more efficiently with the 6.5 than the 8, plus the smaller wing is more pleasant to use. Also tried the new Slick 7 SLS today, I saw no advantage over the Dlab and went back to the 6.5 m. I can not get going sub 15 mph on the 999.

The differences here are nuances here and having others to compare notes with very helpful. Looking to drop down to a 110 board soon. Also pumping skills are critical and I constantly try alternative methods to get on foil.

The 8 m is heavy and big and waiting for a gust can wear you down. Would like to understand why I believe the 6.5 m DLab feels more effective than 8m.
Please compare W999 vs W1250 for a heavy guy winging.
If you were to own only one paired with a W945…

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby Foxi » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:38 pm

a mate went back from W999 to W1100 as he states it to start off one knot earlier and provide a longer glide.
My take is that 945 vs 1250 is too much of a gap.
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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby Lamilu » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:52 pm

The question is…
Is W999 and W945 too little of a gap for a 110kg begginer wingfoiler?
What is ideal to learn foil for heavy guy…999,1100, or 1250?
Once you learn, which one will be useless…
Is 1100/1250 only for begginers?

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Re: Too Heavy to Wingfoil

Postby JZB » Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:33 am

I sold my 1100 and just have the 1250 999 899. Maybe a mistake? But we seldom have steady winds Eastern Long Island. They are building or dying and getting more consistent or less. So it might be gusting to 20 but big lulls the I go with 1250 to stay on foil. Then again it could be Solid 20 and the 999 is.perfect. Certainly the 1100 would take off a little quicker, I just didn't see need for the split the difference foil the 1100 for so little change. No I have not done a side by side test, so just conjecture on my part. Also maybe the 999 is a newer design that has better characteristics since the 1100 is over a year old already.

For me there is a good transition between the 1250 and the 999.
The 1250 is a slow but necessary light air foil.
Once I am getting pulled into the 1250 with no pumping I switch to 999


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