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climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby slide » Sat Mar 09, 2019 2:28 pm

i don't know where to post this , but am I the only one to notice more violent weather and winds . let me set my history of kiting which started at the age of 41, 57 now , and I have always flown at Brancaster coast ,north sea , which was and is my regular still , and sometimes mablephorpe, and sometimes cleephorpes , north sea , and for years I arrived at Brancaster carpark just before 7 on a Saturday and stay all day landboarding , with a few pals , and later I also went on a sunday if the wind looked good , and so on , but now its a lot less often , I never minded lower winds with anoff shore , but the onshores are by far the better ones as you all know
but is it disappearing ,I am bearing in mind that most on this forum seem to be on the water where you are pushing against the ocean with your feet where I can lean all I want, its slide and if I trust it levitation , and I have been waiting to hear if I can drive again as I had a kidney grade3 cancer that went to my brain in 2011 , but I've done so well i'm back in business and hoping to get a little van when its official and I can trek that 46 miles I know so well again
it seems extreme weather is our future with less calm smooth wind generally

so cmon be honest and i'm possibly talking more to the older people of the kiting community,who have many years of experience- the jet stream is mostly wayward , higher temps in the water make wild weather stronger , and higher temps in the atmosphere is changing it too - I heard yesterday it was raining in the artic , and the rain was warmer than the ice and melting huge great lines that went for miles

3weeks ago it was 20 degrees for a week , hottest ever febuary , and we have had punchy gusty very strong winds ever since and a couple or so weeks more of it

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby downunder » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:19 pm

Yep,

I am with you on this. Moved to AU 18 years ago, from the EU.
Every time I go back is a huge shock for me. June/July/August realy unpredictable weather, with so much rain even fog. Electrical storms are now quite usual.
I do not remember this kind od weather when was living there. Everything so green as well, an explosion of greenery. Not to mention weeds and allergies. Also, quite interesting, wild animals in close city proximity, which was never ever seen before. Guessing coz of so much greenery.

So yes, in the EU, weather definitely is changing. Not for better.

D.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby Toby » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:45 pm

I heard that hot spots like Tarifa and Cumbuco had more wind in the past.

Cumbuco (Brazil) could be because more and more houses/streets etc gets build...and the natural system with bigger sand dunes that heat up and create stronger winds is vanishing. Smaller and less dunes.

Maybe the long time windsurfers can comment on it...they know winds from many years ago...

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby Matteo V » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:56 pm

This past summer was terrible on the Oregon coast, though the Midwest (US) was epic for most of the summer. However, if it is a cycle, it seems to be starting over at '07/'08 again. The years that followed were epic for snow, wind, and all around perfect conditions for land and water kiting (where I kite). Lets hope it swings back around, at least for most of us.

If not, then maybe we will get to kite some spots that used to not have wind or snow in the previous climate pattern.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby Strekke » Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:04 am

The weather and wind patterns are definitely changing. I remember in Belgium we used to get plenty of strong West winds/storms during the season with nice waves, but these are becoming rarer and rarer. Instead, we seem to get a lot more southerly winds, which are weaker and off shore. There is a graph from windfarms in Holland that show a declining line of over the past 15 years or so, so it's definitely happening.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby Havre » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:02 am

Difficult to say if you ask me. 50 years ago people would say that the weather varies. That is it. Now we call it climate change - is it any different?

Kite spots are also very specific. Usually a small small areas which requires quite specific conditions (the right kind of wind both in terms of strength and direction). Drastic changes in local weather conditions around the world has always happened - even before humans.

This is not a speech for denying climate change, but got to be careful here creating a "story" (causality) that just randomly seems to fit the concept of "climate change".

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby magic%20Ed » Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:14 am

Don't trust your memory, it is proven to be very inaccurate, even on the short term.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby TheJoe » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:49 am

Yes the weather is unpredictable it all ways has been. There are just too many factors that go into forecasting. Throw in the politics fo climate change and it gets worse.

Toby you should just lock this thread now. It is only going to turn into a shouting match between a few people over CC. Honestly we might even be getting trolled here.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby slide » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:56 pm

well I am open minded but the proof is there that we are warming still , the oceans , the upper atmosphere and warmer temps give strength to weather patterns and storms, and I recently saw a report on the artic , it was raining and the rain was warmer than the ice and melting it quicker than normal , the jet stream is a good indicator and not as stable with the warmer temps - many scientist's report's in 2018 gave a very damming reports of what to expect in the future,and say we need to be aggressive if we are to make a difference to our kids and our grandchildren's future's but its not happening and I find it hard to believe that some still can't see it

the debate is over we now can see it happening in front of our own eyes , you can ignore it if you want but the warming is continuing and water levels will carry on rising . warmer waters make hurricanes and storms stronger and create more violent weather patterns , fact
surely you can see the massive increase in wild fires as lands dry out to the extreme, and then it rains so hard and you get 2 months of rain in 2 days , its a case of one extreme to the other extreme , and the wild life don't deal well with these extremes of weather at all well , coral reefs are almost gone ,and the warmer sea temps create a lot of confusion for sea life

trolling , you have lost me , I point out and describe what many scientist's have evidence for , this is the truth and a huge amount of proof exists - who is trolling and please explain where you see it , as I see this as a very serious problem for our kids if we carry on this path, and I did think this topic would create some great conversation

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather

Postby Matteo V » Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:38 pm

slide wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:56 pm
well I am open minded but the proof is there that we are warming still , the oceans , the upper atmosphere and warmer temps give strength to weather patterns and storms, and I recently saw a report on the artic , it was raining and the rain was warmer than the ice and melting it quicker than normal , the jet stream is a good indicator and not as stable with the warmer temps - many scientist's report's in 2018 gave a very damming reports of what to expect in the future,and say we need to be aggressive if we are to make a difference to our kids and our grandchildren's future's but its not happening and I find it hard to believe that some still can't see it

the debate is over we now can see it happening in front of our own eyes , you can ignore it if you want but the warming is continuing and water levels will carry on rising . warmer waters make hurricanes and storms stronger and create more violent weather patterns , fact
surely you can see the massive increase in wild fires as lands dry out to the extreme, and then it rains so hard and you get 2 months of rain in 2 days , its a case of one extreme to the other extreme , and the wild life don't deal well with these extremes of weather at all well , coral reefs are almost gone ,and the warmer sea temps create a lot of confusion for sea life

trolling , you have lost me , I point out and describe what many scientist's have evidence for , this is the truth and a huge amount of proof exists - who is trolling and please explain where you see it , as I see this as a very serious problem for our kids if we carry on this path, and I did think this topic would create some great conversation
Things are changing, and always have been. The cause is absolutely natural. The additional "anthropocentric" change is what is debated. The range of debate goes from religious denial with virtually no evidence to religious belief with demonstrably zero success in past predictions.

I would not necessarily suggest to close the thread. Keeping it open may serve to keep those on the extremes occupied typing instead of doing something else.


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