climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

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wild fires still burning on the edge of Sydney Australia , 7 miles wide , and firefighters saying they can not put it out and will have to wait until it rains , Sydney being the largest city in Australia, and many residents told to stay inside and keep windows shut , polluted smoky air starting to surround sydney

[SaulOhio]

wild fires still burning on the edge of Sydney Australia , 7 miles wide , and firefighters saying they can not put it out and will have to wait until it rains , Sydney being the largest city in Australia, and many residents told to stay inside and keep windows shut

Do you have any data available to show that these fires are worse than what has happened in the past? Australia has always had bush fires. Is there any evidence to objectively tie this to anthropogenic global warming?

7 mile wide wild fire! Wow. That sounds huge. All of Australia must be burning! On a continent 2,500 miles across.

[jumptheshark]

Don’t be a prick about other people’s disasters.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... recedented

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a warmer world means less dissolved oxygen in the oceans , which is bad news for fish and healthy oceans its called nuitrient drop off , some fish can handle better than others , tuna have fast metabilizions, and don't deal very well with low oxygen levels in the oceans , and there are many others , who will go to the surface to try to get more , as higher levels of dissolved oxygen are closer to the surface

[SaulOhio]

a warmer world means less dissolved oxygen in the oceans , which is bad news for fish and healthy oceans its called nuitrient drop off , some fish can handle better than others , tuna have fast metabilizions, and don't deal very well with low oxygen levels in the oceans , and there are many others , who will go to the surface to try to get more , as higher levels of dissolved oxygen are closer to the surface

You have to prove that something like that is going to actually happen. And you are going to have to explain why that didn't happen in times when the Earth was warmer than it is now.

And you haven't tried to prove that the fires in Australia are any worse than they have ever been. Find the data. Find how many acres of land get burned every year in Australia. Graph the data and show us.

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[jumptheshark]

There is a graph in the article numb nuts

This season is on track to be the second worst ever. Currently near tied with the second biggest season (1984) but only about half the total area of the all time high in 1974. Worth remembering that this years fire season is no where near over, in fact we’re just heading into the heat of summer down there. The summer solstice is on the 21st of the month. This season is very different from 1974. In that season most of the burn was in the sparsely inhabited north west or the country. This year is in the far more populated and forested east.

[SaulOhio]

There is a graph in the article numb nuts

This season is on track to be the second worst ever. Currently near tied with the second biggest season (1984) but only about half the total area of the all time high in 1974. Worth remembering that this years fire season is no where near over, in fact we’re just heading into the heat of summer down there. The summer solstice is on the 21st of the month. This season is very different from 1974. In that season most of the burn was in the sparsely inhabited north west or the country. This year is in the far more populated and forested east.

I wasn't addressing you. I was talking to slide. I hadn't read that article.

I would like to see a larger data sample than that. Only back to 1970? The continent has been inhabited by people with measuring devices for a few hundred years. I'm surprised they didn't limit their graph to just 1990 so they could claim this was the record, instead of the second worst.

50 years is a tiny data set.

[tegirinenashi]

I'm assuming its the other way round, that activists and the media reflect, although probably in a biased way, what the majority of scientists believe. Do you think the majority of scientists believe there is no man made global warming and if so what do you base that belief on ?

I honestly don't give a ̶f̶u̶ polar bear what the majority thinks. Scientific discovery is anything but democratic process. This is why Nobel prize winners (the real ones, not the "peace") are chased after their opinion on various subjects. Often in the areas quite distant from their expertise.

A decade ago I was puzzled while not actually believing that there is a list of Nobel laureates and other outstanding researchers who signed alarmist petition. I dared to write to couple of them asking if they really support it. One of them was kind to reply.

Nothing of the substance there, though. Something, that you can readily copy-and-paste from activists websites with "fossil fuel industry" in the first sentence...

The lesson from this experience? Look for the numbers, and not people opinions.

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heavy rain ,a cyclonic storm, in east Africa , warmer temperatures have made a lot more rain , 20 deaths

[SaulOhio]

heavy rain ,a cyclonic storm, in east Africa , warmer temperatures have made a lot more rain , 20 deaths

And thing like that have been happening since the time of the Pharaohs. Is there any evidence that it is being caused by the burning of fossil fuels?

Or, are we so vastly better off because we have abundant energy resources that we are better protected from natural disasters?