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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby tegirinenashi » Sun Dec 08, 2019 7:10 pm

"Lobsters coming out precooked in warmer water temperatures" :clap:

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby slide » Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:50 pm

green land moving 7 times quicker than the 90's

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby SaulOhio » Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:36 pm

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green land moving 7 times quicker than the 90's
You mean the glaciers? Glaciers move because of the weight at the top. More snow coming down means they become more top heavy, which forces the ice below to move.

"As a glacier thins, due to the loss of mass it will slow down and crevassing will decrease."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_motion

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby slide » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:50 pm

wildfires been burning for 3 months now and very thick toxic polluted smoke in and around Sydney , Australia's largest city

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby slide » Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:52 pm

no I, refere to the glaciers up my bottom

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby SaulOhio » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:47 pm

slide wrote:
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wildfires been burning for 3 months now and very thick toxic polluted smoke in and around Sydney , Australia's largest city


There were other fires in Australia. They happen. They have been happening since long before you could blame them on man made climate change.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:19 pm

SaulOhio wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:36 pm

You mean the glaciers? Glaciers move because of the weight at the top. More snow coming down means they become more top heavy, which forces the ice below to move.

"As a glacier thins, due to the loss of mass it will slow down and crevassing will decrease."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_motion
It would seem you are mistaken in this instance. In summer surface melt water create lakes. Eventually fissure forms and these lakes drains in dramatic fashion delivering heat from the surface to the base of the ice sheet which serves to lubricate the movement of the ice sheet over the underlying land mass. The draining of large amounts of water through fissures expands them which leads to fractures in the ice sheet that in turn drain more melt water, further accelerating movement. This of course has happened to some extent cyclically since glaciers began to melt, but apparently is happening with increased frequency and intensity on Greenland's ice sheet.

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-chain-rea ... gIBW_D_BwE
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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:55 pm

Hey Longwhitecloud,

Before you go thanking Saul for his collection of videos, consider the source.

In the opening of the wiki on the Heartland institute:

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.

It's well referenced if you care to look. It's also interesting to have a look at their primary funding donors.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby SaulOhio » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:20 am

jumptheshark wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:55 pm
Hey Longwhitecloud,

Before you go thanking Saul for his collection of videos, consider the source.

In the opening of the wiki on the Heartland institute:

In the 1990s, the Heartland Institute worked with the tobacco company Philip Morris to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and to lobby against smoking bans.

It's well referenced if you care to look. It's also interesting to have a look at their primary funding donors.
The Heartland Institute is just the venue. The source is a variety of scientists with PhD's, actual climatologists discussing the science.

William Happer, Roy Spencer, David Legates.

It is always someone who knows they are losing the debate that argues about people's credibility instead of discussing the evidence.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby SaulOhio » Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:26 am

jumptheshark wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:19 pm
SaulOhio wrote:
Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:36 pm

You mean the glaciers? Glaciers move because of the weight at the top. More snow coming down means they become more top heavy, which forces the ice below to move.

"As a glacier thins, due to the loss of mass it will slow down and crevassing will decrease."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_motion
It would seem you are mistaken in this instance. In summer surface melt water create lakes. Eventually fissure forms and these lakes drains in dramatic fashion delivering heat from the surface to the base of the ice sheet which serves to lubricate the movement of the ice sheet over the underlying land mass. The draining of large amounts of water through fissures expands them which leads to fractures in the ice sheet that in turn drain more melt water, further accelerating movement. This of course has happened to some extent cyclically since glaciers began to melt, but apparently is happening with increased frequency and intensity on Greenland's ice sheet.

https://phys.org/news/2018-03-chain-rea ... gIBW_D_BwE
OK, I will admit on this point I was mistaken.

OK, sure, glaciers are melting. But not everywhere, not at the same rate, and in some places they are advancing and growing.

I am still waiting for reason to believe this is a problem, or even caused by human activity. Especially since its not a new thing, only happening since we started burning fossil fuels. Glaciers have been melting since the end of the Little Ice Age.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpre ... e-ice-age/

So since glaciers have been melting since the 18th century, how are we supposed to know that glaciers melting now isn't just a continuation of that process?


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