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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby prop_joe » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 pm

slide wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:39 pm
air pollution dropping is a good thing -infact its a great thing-if only there was an argument there , but sadly there isn't
Of course, I think the point being made was about the reasons behind the drop in pollution and what that means for the future. Do you not think the recovery from all this will have a detremental effect on the climate and thus negate or outweigh your reduced pollution?... I have no idea i'm just speculating but it's feasible i think. I'm sure kkk will fill in the gaps for me ;)

A different example of how things are complicated, vehicle emmissions. Are you aware that you can't reduce C02 (climate change) and particulates (pollution)? It's a trade off to a degree. So if you want to reduce pollution (you seem to be keen on this) then you will increase the C02 emmissions and thus increase the effect of climate change? Thus the whole diesel fiasco...

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby SimonP » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 pm

prop_joe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 pm
A different example of how things are complicated, vehicle emmissions. Are you aware that you can't reduce C02 (climate change) and particulates (pollution)? It's a trade off to a degree. So if you want to reduce pollution (you seem to be keen on this) then you will increase the C02 emmissions and thus increase the effect of climate change? Thus the whole diesel fiasco...
That's ridiculously untrue. EV and hydrogen vehicles don't emit CO2 or particulates.
Ditto for electricity generating technologies such as solar, wind, and geothermal.

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby prop_joe » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:42 pm

SimonP wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 pm
prop_joe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 pm
A different example of how things are complicated, vehicle emmissions. Are you aware that you can't reduce C02 (climate change) and particulates (pollution)? It's a trade off to a degree. So if you want to reduce pollution (you seem to be keen on this) then you will increase the C02 emmissions and thus increase the effect of climate change? Thus the whole fiasco...
That's ridiculously untrue. EV and hydrogen vehicles don't emit CO2 or particulates.
Ditto for electricity generating technologies such as solar, wind, and geothermal.
Not when your talking about diesels :wink:

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby kiteykitekite » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:14 am

SimonP wrote: That's ridiculously untrue. EV and hydrogen vehicles don't emit CO2 or particulates.
Even worse production of hydrogen makes carbon monoxide, a toxic chemical. :lol:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_reforming

but don't worry that CO can be converted into safe CO2.
For every tonne of hydrogen produced this way, 9 tonnes of CO2 are also produced.
MMMMmmmm Hydrogen is the clean future! 9tons CO2 to 1 ton of hydrogen. That's like heaps more CO2 than normal fossil burning. Should warm the planet faster, and avoid the next ice age. I support hydrogen!

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Matteo V » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:06 am

SimonP wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:17 pm
prop_joe wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:37 pm
A different example of how things are complicated, vehicle emmissions. Are you aware that you can't reduce C02 (climate change) and particulates (pollution)? It's a trade off to a degree. So if you want to reduce pollution (you seem to be keen on this) then you will increase the C02 emmissions and thus increase the effect of climate change? Thus the whole diesel fiasco...
That's ridiculously untrue. EV and hydrogen vehicles don't emit CO2 or particulates.
Ditto for electricity generating technologies such as solar, wind, and geothermal.
In order to produce the electricity for electric vehicles, CO2 is certainly emitted. Most electricity is generated from fossil fuels. Nuclear has a carbon footprint also as it takes lots of machinery lots of time to produce the fuel for the nuclear power plant. In addition to that, there is the ongoing energy requirement of containment of a shutdown plant or waste disposal.

But the funniest part of this is that some solar or wind generating in certain localities actually increased the emission of bassline coal generation.

Every single energy source on the face of this Earth has some carbon footprint associated with it. There is no way around this.

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Postby Trent hink » Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:01 am

Well, once we develop nuclear-powered machinery it won't have a foot-print.

Just make sure you don't install those death-machines in my backyard.

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby slide » Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:50 am

kiteykitekite wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:30 pm
Slide seems like a russian troll. It is apparently a strategy of russia (and china) to push the pro climate change agenda in other nations, so they can't compete as well and won't make as much fossil fuels, i.e. higher prices for producers.
what the f*** has this to do with having less pollution in our air that we breathe , just enjoy it while its like this
and who is the troll here and gone all political

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Matteo V » Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:48 pm

slide wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:50 am
kiteykitekite wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:30 pm
Slide seems like a russian troll. It is apparently a strategy of russia (and china) to push the pro climate change agenda in other nations, so they can't compete as well and won't make as much fossil fuels, i.e. higher prices for producers.
what the f*** has this to do with having less pollution in our air that we breathe , just enjoy it while its like this
and who is the troll here and gone all political
kkk makes a great point. If you are actually concerned with pollution in the future, you should think about this one.

The West has freedom of speech which allows individuals the right to voice their concerns. The 2nd and 3rd world do not. If the West is ever eliminated as a world power, the 2nd world will dictate enviormental policy. And the 2nd and 3rd world have an atrocious track record of enviormental policy. They actually happily produce most of the toxic waste that is dumped onto land, into the air, and into the oceans. All of this is done for profit with no concern for the enviorment. In any county where you face prison hard labor or death for voicing enviormental concerns, no real positive enviormental policy can exist. Thus you definitely want to be concerned about power plays on the world stage, if you are truly concerned about future environmental policy.

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Re: climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Pemba » Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:29 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:48 pm
slide wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:50 am
kiteykitekite wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:30 pm
Slide seems like a russian troll. It is apparently a strategy of russia (and china) to push the pro climate change agenda in other nations, so they can't compete as well and won't make as much fossil fuels, i.e. higher prices for producers.
what the f*** has this to do with having less pollution in our air that we breathe , just enjoy it while its like this
and who is the troll here and gone all political
kkk makes a great point. If you are actually concerned with pollution in the future, you should think about this one.

The West has freedom of speech which allows individuals the right to voice their concerns. The 2nd and 3rd world do not. If the West is ever eliminated as a world power, the 2nd world will dictate enviormental policy. And the 2nd and 3rd world have an atrocious track record of enviormental policy. They actually happily produce most of the toxic waste that is dumped onto land, into the air, and into the oceans. All of this is done for profit with no concern for the enviorment. In any county where you face prison hard labor or death for voicing enviormental concerns, no real positive enviormental policy can exist. Thus you definitely want to be concerned about power plays on the world stage, if you are truly concerned about future environmental policy.
?????
I agree with what you say about 1st, 2nd and 3rd world environmental policies. But Slide's right..you feel clean air shouldn't be enjoyed or mentioned without mentioning political context ???

By the way, are you writing enviormental on purpose ?

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