Good thing we have someone as sophisticated as yourself explaining things then.palmbeacher wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 6:29 amAnd leaving the Paris Climate agreement helps to reduce carbon emissions... how? Your argumentation is so overly simplistic and clearly also has been manipulated by Trump and Fox (China!). Not sure if you are aware, but Trump would love nothing more than to have authoritarian rule over the US...Matteo V wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:08 amSo you think that the Paris climate agreement would have actually reduced carbon emissions in the future?
Many have rightly pointed out that while the West was required to institute severe economically crippling restrictions, the second and third world were not.
On the world stage, this meant that many second world powers would come to an advantage over the West in setting future economic and even climate policy. So the question in the end is, "do you really want Nations such as China to lead the planet in environmental policy?"
And if cognitive dissonance is strong enough in you to have answered yes, then you are in for a big surprise once those totalitarian regimes begin to call the shots for the environment. Just a hint, their track record ain't that great.
Someone disagrees with me -> manipulated by Trump and Fox
There is so much nuance in that statement you would think it was written by Buddha, Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, Einstein or maybe a combination of all of them.
It would be a good question to ask Matteo V what is the alternative? I completely agree with his point that if the "west" agrees to voluntarily slow growth then you are exposing yourself to someone else getting stronger. I don't see how that isn't valid, even if you believe in climate change that should be a concern, but how do you get the best of both by moving out of Paris?
Not that I believe Paris will ever be meaningful for anything else than as a symbol of unity (which isn't necessarily even a good thing when you just fuel the kind of moralizing you see in this thread).