slide wrote:
greta has become a hero , among young adults , and she started the stand out side your school on a Friday and protest thing, and I can tell you for sure she is well educated on this subject and has appeared alongside david Attenborough on the bbc many times , that possibly what started the idea of greta having her own series on the bbc , and you still won't watch "the blue planet"...….why won't you learn , you talk like you are educated on this subject and in truth you know nothing , if greta is as you say a marketing tool ,why is she getting her own series on the BBC -tell me that rather than slagg her off , she is right on this subject and very clued up unlike you who is f**k annoying and ignorant on this subject -and another thing you have avoided my questions to you , why , I want to hear your view ,and keep it informative ,but you won't -you just want to moan and moan and moan with no facts , with no truths just moaning and slagging me off but you don't like it back do ya
Interesting fact, there is no proof that saying something is the truth makes it the truth. It can certainly make you more convinced it's the truth, but alas still not the truth.
So slide what is the truth again? So that we may know what you are convinced of. And would you say you are easily convinced of things, like a child, like Greta? Is religion missing in your life? If so is climate drama filling that gap well for you?
Trent hink wrote:
I apologize that a cut a bit off on the end there, and I did not mean to do that.
Glad you took the time to abbreviate something, the endless quoting jams things up.^^^^ (I am super guilty of it)\/\/\/\/
Trent hink wrote:
To me it seems a bit silly to discuss what the models actually mean when we never even came to terms with an agreement about what the definition of a model was.
I think we largely agree, it's just on the importance of the use. They are certainly used to understand things but that understanding is tested by predictions, those predictions are certainly used as well. In fact many models are used solely for their predictions and those models are often based on previous understandings and models.
Trent hink wrote:
If you look closely to the rules I applied, they still leave a tremendous amount of room for skepticism and argument within the context of how modeling is used for climate predictions. The I applied even point out arguments you perhaps have never even considered. I can think of some that have not been mentioned.
Do you want to requote that part for me?
Trent hink wrote:
I do tend to side with the scientific consensus. But skepticism is a important part of science. It's good for science.
Yes I agree, but have you looked into what the consensus is on? To me it is on simple things like the planet is warming, CO2 is causing most of it, etc. There is no consensus beyond that, which is evidence by the variation in the modeling.
Trent hink wrote:
I do believe it is important to point out pure bs, I agree that the media sensationalizes everything.
Definitely and the media has it's reason's. The market has driven so much competition through the internet that traditional media now struggles to survive. In fact sometimes you can get more up to date relevant material from such trashy places as 4chan. Look at wikileaks for example, it has to be one of the most accurate media outlets in history. traditional media is almost done, their only hope is totalitarian regimes of which the US is fast becoming one. Hurrah!
Trent hink wrote:
Yet, clearly, there really are people who are working to destroy science and want nothing more than a return to myth and witchcraft.
That argument is a little strong, while there is people in existence like that, they really are not the ones pushing with money against the climate change agenda. The oil industry has to be the most likely and provable source for platforms against climate change. The motivation is obvious, money. That is not to say we should discount people 100% because they use those platforms but it does certainly taint the credibility. While on the other side climate change proponents use the long built credibility of or academic institutions to really push into the absurd sometimes. The question, do you think our traditional sources for education, reason, logic and advancement, becoming more silly, making claims that are borderline ridiculous which will likely prove wrong will lead us to a society that is less myth and witchcraft? We need to have faith in these places that they really are striving to know the best and most accurate picture of things. At the rate these places are going especially with many "social" en-devours they are fast on a path to irrelevance.