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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Jackie Treehorn » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:23 pm

You have not given one ounce of proof of climate change. Just your personal observations and what you have seen on the telly.
Sorry, but when you're going up against the vast scientific consensus on an issue, the onus is on you to provide the facts. That's a comprehensive case you need to provide, not a few bits of cherry picked data, taken out of context to suit your confirmation bias. Just like flat earth, if you can do this there would be a Nobel price in it for you, not to mention endless amounts of money from the fossil fuel industry. Strangely, nobody so far has managed.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby elguapo » Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:12 pm

Jackie Treehorn wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:23 pm
You have not given one ounce of proof of climate change. Just your personal observations and what you have seen on the telly.
Sorry, but when you're going up against the vast scientific consensus on an issue, the onus is on you to provide the facts. That's a comprehensive case you need to provide, not a few bits of cherry picked data, taken out of context to suit your confirmation bias. Just like flat earth, if you can do this there would be a Nobel price in it for you, not to mention endless amounts of money from the fossil fuel industry. Strangely, nobody so far has managed.
what does that even mean?

how can there be a consensus if not everyone agrees..

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather- ... e/70008963
ACCUWEATHER Founder: No evidence heatwaves becoming more common because of 'climate change'...
science is littered with examples of of the "consensus" being dead wrong.

examples you say?
---> according to "consensus" in 1975 we should currently be in the midst of a 10,000 year ice age right now
  • In 1974, the National Science Board announced: "During the last 20 to 30 years, world temperature has fallen, irregularly at first but more sharply over the last decade. Judging from the record of the past interglacial ages, the present time of high temperatures should be drawing to an end…leading into the next ice age."
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https://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/clima ... 830e6d260f

---> consensus said the ozone hole was worsening and lead to a bunch of nations signing the montreal protocal limiting CFCs in the late 80s...
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/17/world ... wanted=all
what do we know today?
These days, scientists understand a lot more about the ozone hole. They know that it’s a seasonal phenomenon that forms during Antarctica’s spring, when weather heats up and reactions between CFCs and ozone increase. As weather cools during Antarctic winter, the hole gradually recovers until next year.​
---> 'member acid rain??
https://www.independent.co.uk/environme ... 07838.html


---> we will deplete our natural resources..
In 1980, the Global 2000 Report to the President, wrote: "If present trends continue, the world in 2000 will be more crowded, more polluted, less stable ecologically, and more vulnerable to disruption than the world we live in now. . . . Despite greater material output, the world's people will be poorer in many ways than they are today."​
http://www.mining.com/the-world-is-not- ... resources/


---> we will run out of oil
1909: 25 or 30 years longer
"Petroleum has been used for less than 50 years, and it is estimated that the supply will last about 25 or 30 years longer. If production is curtailed and waste stopped it may last till the end of the century. The most important effects of its disappearance will be in the lack of illuminants. Animal and vegetable oils will not begin to supply its place. This being the case, the reckless exploitation of oil fields and the consumption of oil for fuel should be checked."

— July 19, 1909 Titusville Herald (Titusville, PA)​

1937: Gone in 15 years
Capt. H. A. Stuart, director of the naval petroleum reserves, told the Senate Naval Affairs Committee today the oil supply of this country will last only about 15 years.

"We have been making estimates for the last 15 years,' Stuart said. 'We always underestimate because of the possibility of discovering new oil fields. The best information is that the present supply will last only 15 years. That is a conservative estimate.'"

— March 9, 1937 Brooklyn Daily Eagle​

1956: Ten to fifteen years until peak oil
"M. King Hubbert of the Shell Development Co. predicted [one year ago] that peak oil production would be reached in the next 10 to 15 years and after that would gradually decline."​
https://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/weve-be ... 1668986354



----> oh, the polar ice caps will melt.
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/mike- ... -disappear
The same year that former Vice President Al Gore predicted that the Arctic sea ice could be completely gone, Arctic ice reached its highest level in two years, according to a report by the Danish Meteorological Institute.

i could go on but i'm hungry.. gonna go shoot a rabbit or something



in summary...
dont trust da hippies

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby prop_joe » Thu Aug 08, 2019 6:43 am

Jackie Treehorn wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:23 pm
vast scientific consensus
Fortunately science doesn't work like that... ask Galileo

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Jackie Treehorn » Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:54 am

elguapo wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:12 pm
These days, scientists understand a lot more about the ozone hole. They know that it’s a seasonal phenomenon that forms during Antarctica’s spring, when weather heats up and reactions between CFCs and ozone increase. As weather cools during Antarctic winter, the hole gradually recovers until next year.​
Here's a prime example of what I'm talking about. One quote, cherry picked from an anonymous source with no context. Whilst the seasonal nature of these holes may be true, it makes no mention of the fact that ozone levels have dropped 4% since the 70's, or how increasing levels of manmade CFCs and other pollutants effect the rates of recovery of the holes. The simple fact is that the ozone layer was damaged by manmade pollutants and the international regulation of ozone-depleting substances, initiated by the scientific community (the actual experts, not random idiots with access to the internet) is working to mitigate further damage and possibly allow recovery:
Through an international agreement known as the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, governments have decided to eventually discontinue production of CFCs, halons, carbon tetrachloride, and methyl chloroform (except for a few special uses), and industry has developed more "ozone-friendly" substitutes. All other things being equal, and with adherence to the international agreements, the ozone layer is expected to recover over the next 50 years or so.

Taken from https://www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov/science/basics.htm

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby elguapo » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:13 pm

Jackie Treehorn wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:54 am
elguapo wrote:
Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:12 pm
These days, scientists understand a lot more about the ozone hole. They know that it’s a seasonal phenomenon that forms during Antarctica’s spring, when weather heats up and reactions between CFCs and ozone increase. As weather cools during Antarctic winter, the hole gradually recovers until next year.​
Here's a prime example of what I'm talking about. One quote, cherry picked from an anonymous source with no context. Whilst the seasonal nature of these holes may be true, it makes no mention of the fact that ozone levels have dropped 4% since the 70's, or how increasing levels of manmade CFCs and other pollutants effect the rates of recovery of the holes. The simple fact is that the ozone layer was damaged by manmade pollutants and the international regulation of ozone-depleting substances, initiated by the scientific community (the actual experts, not random idiots with access to the internet) is working to mitigate further damage and possibly allow recovery:
Through an international agreement known as the Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer, governments have decided to eventually discontinue production of CFCs, halons, carbon tetrachloride, and methyl chloroform (except for a few special uses), and industry has developed more "ozone-friendly" substitutes. All other things being equal, and with adherence to the international agreements, the ozone layer is expected to recover over the next 50 years or so.

Taken from https://www.ozonelayer.noaa.gov/science/basics.htm
did you actually read the post...or the link?
again...
nobody has ever shown a complete, balanced chemical equation for how CFCs break down atmospheric ozone.
climate change is a hoax.... just like the ozone scare.

thinking humans have any effect on the planet is the same as you thinking whether or not you wear your lucky socks has any effect on your local football match.
i'll make it simplier..
is the same as believing is you land a heelside backroll then the rains will come to end your local drought.

i will post the article again.. read it this time.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180957775/
and note the website... these guys are part of the "group think"

remember scientists are only concerned with keeping their jobs....feeding their kids.
NOT...being right.
google "Galileo Controversy" for more food for thought.


i generally dont care if people choose the "blue pill"...if they choose the life of blissful ignorance.
but the costs of the climate change hoax is too high.....the hippies overreach (again)

so..
again.
global warming.....and now the rebranded "climate change"= fake news.

is as simple as that.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby slide » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:17 pm

you guys are full of hate get yourselves some love and be happy

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby Jackie Treehorn » Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:50 pm

elguapo wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:13 pm

did you actually read the post...or the link?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science- ... 180957775/
and note the website... these guys are part of the "group think"
But the scientists were right. From your link:
Scientists estimate that if the Montreal Protocol had never been implemented, the hole would have grown by 40 percent by 2013. Instead, the hole is expected to completely heal by 2050.
and:
Still, researchers like Johnson see the world’s mobilization around the ozone hole as a beacon of hope in a sometimes bleak climate for science. “The ozone hole is getting better, and it will get better,” says Johnson. It’s not every day a scientific horror story has a happy ending.
There's no hoax here, the ozone layer was being damaged by human activity and action taken to fix it is helping.
elguapo wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:13 pm
remember scientists are only concerned with keeping their jobs....feeding their kids.
NOT...being right.
google "Galileo Controversy" for more food for thought.
I guess that living in the middle of some inbred part of Trump country you've never met any actual research scientists. The vast majority of them are on a fairly pitiful wage compared to what they could earn working in the city of for the oil industries etc. They are not in it for the money.

As for Galileo, he was attacked by the Catholic Church (one of the biggest anti-science organisations still operating in the world today) because his findings went directly against what their magic book teaches.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby prop_joe » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:28 pm

Jackie Treehorn wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:50 pm
As for Galileo, he was attacked by the Catholic Church (one of the biggest anti-science organisations still operating in the world today) because his findings went directly against what their magic book teaches.
Exactly, the Catholic Church (basically everybody back then) was the consensus. My point was a consensus doesn't necessarily equal truth.

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Re: climate change /unpredictable weather/wind

Postby prop_joe » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:39 pm

slide wrote:
Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:17 pm
you guys are full of hate get yourselves some love and be happy
haha, straight from the crazy liberals handbook....

- rant on subject with mainly opinion based arguments
- take offence at criticisms of said points
- when arguments dry up start using name calling and sarcasm
- all else fails scream hate, bigot, racist etc
- leave feeling morally superior
- finally and most importantly, achieve nothing lol.


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