Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Wings work on snow?

Forum for snow- and landkiters
BOEMIX
Frequent Poster
Posts: 218
Joined: Fri May 08, 2015 10:57 pm
Local Beach: Sant Pere Pescador (Spain)
Favorite Beaches: Etang de l'Eole, La Franqui (France)
Style: Freeriding
Gear: Kites: ozone: chrono v2 15m, Hyperlink 9m, Catalyst 7m, enduro 10m, edge 13m, access 6m
Flysurfer Soul 15m.
Boards: Naish Bullet 5,4, Shinn Ronson 138x42, King Gee 150x50, Ketos Foil freeride2 and Transformer TT
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 3 times

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby BOEMIX » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:03 pm

But to be honest there are a lot of days with a lot of shit to be eat 😆

tomtom
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1293
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby tomtom » Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:41 pm

Hardwater Kiter wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:44 pm
LOL oh okay then. SMH.


Been told a lot of things can't over the years. Most of those people never actually tried any of it ot lacked the skill or nerve to do so.

Most of them were wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see.
I have windwing /cabrinha/ had kitewing and used them together with kites both water and snow from 2000.
What is hard to comprehend about that you cannot miraculously harness as much power from 4m wing without wind window as from 12m kite?
How many times did you actually kite with 4m kite in deep snow? BTW i did but you can loop kite and you have power stroke to break initial resistance. I was never able to windwing in deepsnow. And bigger than 5m wing it just not practical.

On side note
I love wings just not in pow.

Matteo V
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1662
Joined: Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:42 pm
Local Beach: US, Iowa/Nebraska/Kansas/Utah/Oregon Coast
Favorite Beaches: Ft. Stevens, North coast of Oregon
Style: Just like school in summertime
Gear: Delta Kites and LF Kitefish QuadMod
Snowboard (Cambered and Rockered)
Foil kites on the snow
Brand Affiliation: NONE F--- the corporate world
Has thanked: 89 times
Been thanked: 107 times

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby Matteo V » Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:18 pm

tomtom wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:41 pm
What is hard to comprehend about that you cannot miraculously harness as much power from 4m wing without wind window as from 12m kite?
How many times did you actually kite with 4m kite in deep snow? BTW i did but you can loop kite and you have power stroke to break initial resistance. I was never able to windwing in deepsnow. And bigger than 5m wing it just not practical.
12m kite has a projected area of around 7.5m. Every kiter that has messed around with different line legnths has some understanding of the wind window.

So why do you like the wing? Just because it is different? Or do you feel it is actually better in some way?

User avatar
Hardwater Kiter
Frequent Poster
Posts: 368
Joined: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:43 pm
Style: Rough and tumble
Gear: Ram air and single skin Foil kites. Long skis to truck, short skis to huck.
Brand Affiliation: www.hardwaterkiter.com Authorized retailers of Ozone, GIN and HQ kites.
Location: North Conway NH. USA
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 3 times
Contact:

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby Hardwater Kiter » Tue Dec 17, 2019 2:57 pm

tomtom wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:41 pm
Hardwater Kiter wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:44 pm
LOL oh okay then. SMH.


Been told a lot of things can't over the years. Most of those people never actually tried any of it ot lacked the skill or nerve to do so.

Most of them were wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see.
I have windwing /cabrinha/ had kitewing and used them together with kites both water and snow from 2000.
What is hard to comprehend about that you cannot miraculously harness as much power from 4m wing without wind window as from 12m kite?
How many times did you actually kite with 4m kite in deep snow? BTW i did but you can loop kite and you have power stroke to break initial resistance. I was never able to windwing in deepsnow. And bigger than 5m wing it just not practical.

On side note
I love wings just not in pow.
Okay so basically what you are saying is that YOU have been unsuccessful with playing around in deep snow with a wing sail. The classic "I can't do it so it can't be done" position. What were the variables in your attempts? What skis were you on? what were the dimensions? what was the wax temp? did you get a head start on an incline or start from a flat dead stop? Was was the wind range and what size wing? How diligent were you with it?

Did you not read my post? I clearly state that I have not had the wing sails in deep pow yet. This is all theory and opinion at this point but I'm willing to explore the potential. If I have skis that allow enough float for me to skin or semi-skate in deep snow, there is no reason why a wing couldn't power me.

I have a bit of experience on snow and I feel that there is some value with these new inflato wings that rigid frames like Kitewings don't offer. If you can get it moving there is nothing in deep snow that makes it any less viable than a kite as a means to play in the wind. Just different. Like a kite, it's an engine to be applied to whatever you wish and somethings are better than others. Some limitations are obvious such as buggying, a wingsail may not be the best engine. ;-) But other things warrant exploration.

tomtom
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1293
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby tomtom » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:21 pm

What other than my experience and my opinion on subject can I provide?
Good luck with pow winging - let as know about set and settings that work for you.

User avatar
Hardwater Kiter
Frequent Poster
Posts: 368
Joined: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:43 pm
Style: Rough and tumble
Gear: Ram air and single skin Foil kites. Long skis to truck, short skis to huck.
Brand Affiliation: www.hardwaterkiter.com Authorized retailers of Ozone, GIN and HQ kites.
Location: North Conway NH. USA
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 3 times
Contact:

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby Hardwater Kiter » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:22 pm

BOEMIX wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:28 am
Nice video Hardwaterkiting!

I think wings can't replace kites in light wind for example, but sometimes they can save your session, like in dense fog where you can't actually see where your kite is (my yesterday snowkite session :cry: ).

I think every piece of gear that can save you a kite session after a 3 hour drive is very valuable!
Thanks!

And I absolutely agree.

tomtom
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1293
Joined: Sun Nov 03, 2002 1:00 am
Has thanked: 6 times
Been thanked: 132 times

Re: Wings work on snow?

Postby tomtom » Tue Dec 17, 2019 3:29 pm

Matteo V wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 8:18 pm
tomtom wrote:
Sun Dec 15, 2019 6:41 pm
What is hard to comprehend about that you cannot miraculously harness as much power from 4m wing without wind window as from 12m kite?
How many times did you actually kite with 4m kite in deep snow? BTW i did but you can loop kite and you have power stroke to break initial resistance. I was never able to windwing in deepsnow. And bigger than 5m wing it just not practical.
12m kite has a projected area of around 7.5m. Every kiter that has messed around with different line legnths has some understanding of the wind window.

So why do you like the wing? Just because it is different? Or do you feel it is actually better in some way?
As as say before wings work very well in low power enviroment - Hydrofoil, ice, fast hard snow, or concrete /sk8/
IMO wing doesnt work in power hungry enviroment - pow, twintip, uphill...

Why i choose wing on ice or sk8? Because it is just better tool for the job. Less power spikes - less things to worry about /line slack etc./ And in high wind just more user friendly. Gusty wind and turbolences are much less issue. And its fun :)


Return to “Snow / Land”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests