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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby HALF » Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:57 am

I don't think there is any convincing needed, if it wasn't it wouldn't be used by Duotone in their more expensive kites.

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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby jedi1 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:21 pm

Matty V wrote:
Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:50 am
“A guy.. “

Or the son of the guy that owns ocean rodeo trying to convince you that the new material they just bet the farm on is better than normal material…

Seems totally impartial.
Does it matter? I was just replying to the statement that weight decrease means a durability decrease. One can easily find different examples not related to kiteboarding, where a lighter material is indeed stronger (the question of durability vs strength is below).
Strength and durability are 2 different things ;)
True, but how would you test durability? For us kiters, what matters most is for how long a kite would last with 100% of its original performance. There are multiple factors to that: coating of the material, resistance of the coating and material itself (UV, sand, salt, water), type of usage. It can be measured by doing some averages and inspecting kites after a fair amount of usage. Even so, I don't think weight is a direct factor in any of these. Strength seems so to an extent, but is certainly not the only one.

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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby octavt » Tue Sep 21, 2021 6:09 pm

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This starts to look like black PR, how can you ride kite and just only notice such a severe damage to kite?
Not a fan of DT but as someone already mentioned DT must have like 40% market share if these were genuine problems we would have heard more people complaining
For sure it's not positive PR :) . I would rather be kiting than posting here, but the truth is I was really anoyed with all these problems and the way DT responded.
It's the same problem of the faulty glue that In the beginig I only noticed on the trailing edge but then little by little the glue/stiching breaks in other places. I already had repaired 2 new broken stiches on the leading edge, and this one was the last one that I noticed.

If it was only from excessive flapping, (even though I don't leave it inflated on the beach for brakes longer then 15-20 min) I guess the damage would have appeard only on the trailing edge.

I'm not saying that DT kites are bad in general and I actually enjoy how the kite performs, I'm just saying that this type of thing can happen and it happend to my 2021 rebel, which was not a cheap btw.

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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Leon van Bergen » Wed Nov 10, 2021 9:51 am

That chickenloop you miss in the picture is at the bottom of the North Sea. Broke off during a medium high kiteloop and I am already three physiotherapy sessions further. Have had two previous accidents due to 2 pair!! broken Entity bindings (1 without accidents and 1 with a broken fibula as a result, 5 months of rehabilitation) and snapped lines these last two years. I simply can't say I can rely on my gear anymore. Bar is just about the most expensive one you can buy and so are those bindings. I have to say i never had anything with my past 7 North/Duotone Rebel's but still they are my last DT kites. I bought all of the mentioned gear brand new.

Duotone, do these items also come out in SLS version and do we have to buy them to get reliable quality so we won't break our precious body parts? :angryfire:
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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Kitemenn » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:33 am

DT is just putting the wrong focus on weight and costs harming the quality and it showing in the incidents...No clue how your chickenloop could have broken like that (especially on such a new bar).

Hope you recover soon :strong: :goodluck:
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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Toby » Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:35 am

Kitemenn wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:33 am
DT is just putting the wrong focus on weight and costs harming the quality and it showing in the incidents...No clue how your chickenloop could have broken like that (especially on such a new bar).

Hope you recover soon :strong: :goodluck:
That’s normal after heavy use. Old, new, same same.

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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Kitemenn » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:13 pm

Toby wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:35 am
Kitemenn wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:33 am
DT is just putting the wrong focus on weight and costs harming the quality and it showing in the incidents...No clue how your chickenloop could have broken like that (especially on such a new bar).

Hope you recover soon :strong: :goodluck:
That’s normal after heavy use. Old, new, same same.
Define heavy use...I know this guy and bar is less then 1 year old no more than 30 sessions. Doesnt sound like heavy use to me...otherwise I will be in trouble soon as well
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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Havre » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:32 pm

Obviously some equipment will just randomly fail. It is true for space shuttles and it will always be true for kite equipment as well. You cannot get down to 0 incidents, but clearly bars should not fail very often.

For wear and tear parts I think the manufacturers should be better at informing when one should expect something to have been worn out. Visual inspection is fine, but you will never be able to pick up everything that way.

Very difficult to know if some brands are better than others. Duotone clearly has a higher volume than most other brands - so you would expect the no. of incidents to be higher. How you deal with issues like this is extremely important though.
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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby SolarSet » Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:11 pm

I think DT has either quality control problem or they cut corners in 2021 equipment.
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There is not excuse in bar lines snapping frequently, heave or light use the 2021 bar should not be snapping most import part. If they want to sell their gear to recreational rider who only mown lawn they should advertise it otherwise someone has to figure out WTF.

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Re: 2021 Duotone Kites poor construction quality ?

Postby Toby » Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:01 pm

Kitemenn wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:13 pm
Toby wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 11:35 am
Kitemenn wrote:
Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:33 am
DT is just putting the wrong focus on weight and costs harming the quality and it showing in the incidents...No clue how your chickenloop could have broken like that (especially on such a new bar).

Hope you recover soon :strong: :goodluck:
That’s normal after heavy use. Old, new, same same.
Define heavy use...I know this guy and bar is less then 1 year old no more than 30 sessions. Doesnt sound like heavy use to me...otherwise I will be in trouble soon as well

What’s his weight? Kite size and wind speeds?

Of course, it should not happen at all.
When the CL has bents and plastic opens up, be careful, sands gets inside.

Will the plastic get worn out on harness lines as well?


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