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Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby davedej » Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:29 pm

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby Toby » Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:36 am

Could they do custom kites?
What I need from a kite is specific...hard to get a production kite fulfilling my needs

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby grigorib » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:11 am

Brands differentiate with kite models and specific performance (before colors question). I’m glad some models didn’t change in last 4 years since they’re near perfect for what they made for. Jumping 15+ meters is a lot about having balls and ability to land that. Whoever jumps that big can kick ass on most of gear. Brands just pay proriders to ride theirs and not other gear.

And you don’t need a supercomputer to cover basic needs like “seatbelt click-in” chickenloop system or for tiny chickenloop for slider bars to be created but somehow it takes years to get them into mass production. Or a pocket foilboard which in couple of years will cost $200 on sale is somehow in high demand for $800 today. Or a foiling pocket kite - how did big manufacturers missed an opportunity and allowed Cloud to rise?
There’s plenty of magic needed in basic things,...before supercomputers, machine learning and other fancy words.

But regardless - better wings are always welcome. Let there be competition!

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby kjorn » Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:29 pm

Toby wrote:
Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:36 am
Could they do custom kites?
What I need from a kite is specific...hard to get a production kite fulfilling my needs
There are open source plans and people with the skills to sew kites. I'm sure if you contact

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=44066
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2392855&start=120

A guy at my local beach has made a no-strut kite and it works fine. I bet he'd make you a kite if you pay him £££ :)

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby longwhitecloud » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:16 am

its not at all about kite designs any more, the design has peaked imo 3 years ago.

Woo however is making groundbreaking progress in its jump calculations. Algorythmic calculations the likes we have not seen before in kiteboarding have already set the woo top 10 charts alight with 8%, i repeat 8% higher jumps. If some first class honors graduate of artificial intelliggence gets involved we could seriously be looking at 12% higher jumps by christmas, a gift money simply cannot buy.

Artificial intelgancing is the future if kiteboring, in fact i am not even posting this post, all thanks to AI

The greatest thing about the technological advancements in kiting of course is how it has made kiting so much more affordable for all these days, and how kiting hasnt diversified into 100 different niches of kookdom requiring different equipment. one size fits all!

I have no doubt we will see a Woo competition in the olympics the way things are going so well for the sport right now, and then maybe, just maybe AI will mean we dont even have to show up, as long as there is money to be made!

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby Jamie-NYC » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:55 am

I have 2009 kites that I favor over kites half their age. Kite design has evolved, but not changed. This is a big problem for the industry, because it means there is often little compelling reason to update one's kites (apart from heavy wear for the lucky ones) - in that environment cost is biggest factor, perhaps why the shift to online sales, and big discounts from retailers. Light weight designs are an exception - the single/no strut design development is new (last 4 yrs?). Could AI help to break the mould, make something truly new and worth spending the money for a new quiver? I hope so.

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby windmaker » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:06 am

Such an obsession on WOO ...:)

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby Bossstyle » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:03 pm

Woo getting like a taxi meter isn’t it? They just add a bit of extra height on to the start to make you pay a little more ?

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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby JakeFarley » Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:41 pm

longwhitecloud wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 3:16 am
I have no doubt we will see a Woo competition in the olympics the way things are going so well for the sport right now, and then maybe, just maybe AI will mean we dont even have to show up, as long as there is money to be made!
Here you go! Instead of WOO its Wii !!!



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Re: Vantage kites, is the revolution announced?

Postby Hugh2 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:06 pm

Jamie-NYC wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:55 am
I have 2009 kites that I favor over kites half their age. Kite design has evolved, but not changed. This is a big problem for the industry, because it means there is often little compelling reason to update one's kites (apart from heavy wear for the lucky ones) - in that environment cost is biggest factor, perhaps why the shift to online sales, and big discounts from retailers. Light weight designs are an exception - the single/no strut design development is new (last 4 yrs?). Could AI help to break the mould, make something truly new and worth spending the money for a new quiver? I hope so.
Jamie, what new kites have you tried? While I liked the Kahoona's back in the day, they are pretty long in the tooth now and feel clumsy and peaky to me now compared with my Naish Pivots, and mine are first generation from 2015 and 2016.


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