Hey men what is the advantages and disadvantages of these tail designs all other factors being equal?
Does this include "experts" like you (judging by your below posts) or are you somehow exempt? Just asking for clarification, OK?longwhitecloud wrote:... the extent of the bull$hit spewed from "experts" mouths
longwhitecloud wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:58 pmtail 2 is very wide proportionally, so is tail 4 - in surfing these tails are to get through spots on the wave that are flatter but can get easily out of control in steeper faster bigger waves , especially if in too big sizesfor kiting - they can also sideslip. You can go much smaller with a kite surfboard than with a prone paddle surfboard.
one disadvantage of any tail with a sharper corner is that when they smack you in the face - they bite way more.
the idea of the design of tail 2 is to have a wide tail and because you have one half of teh fish tail - you may be able to bite a bit more - but not that much more - it doesnt make a huge difference compared to narrowing teh atil
width. gimmicky imo
If you lined up all teh tails and they were all in teh same proportion, it wouldnt actually make anything like the difference compared to changes in the width to tail proportions, or hardness/thickness of the rail changes
- because you can ride real small dimensions kiting, it does change the game a bit compared to prone surfboards
in surfing you have fish, possibly a twin fin (less friction / faster, - wide tails for soft waves - get through sections but when it gets steep and fast - out of control
rounded square tails - narrower on pretty much all performance surfboards
pin tails - on guns - very narrow - control at high speed - dont do tight arcing turns so well though
kiteboard surfboards are gimmicky no doubt, usually designed by someone with no real clue about surfboards - marketing a gimmick is easy with kiteboarding punters. Take a trend in surfing and just copy it, not really understanding it.
channels are pretty cool - expensive to do and a pita though which is why no one really like doing them /glassing them.
longwhitecloud wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:14 amMany shapers have no clue whatsoever.... many cannot even ride the boards they shape... never could. As for advice in a surf shop - you get the worst advice ever... it is a sales pitch..
You really have to find out for yourself by riding many different boards in different conditions to understand the extent of the bull$hit spewed from "experts" mouths in this area.
Having surfed and kited the naki, one issue i reckon with kiting is going too fast without being in control... sometimes need a board that lets you stay in control... kills speed even.
I'm just a kook. Don't listen to me. :-0iriejohn wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:11 amDoes this include "experts" like you (judging by your below posts) or are you somehow exempt? Just asking for clarification, OK?longwhitecloud wrote:... the extent of the bull$hit spewed from "experts" mouths
longwhitecloud wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:58 pmtail 2 is very wide proportionally, so is tail 4 - in surfing these tails are to get through spots on the wave that are flatter but can get easily out of control in steeper faster bigger waves , especially if in too big sizesfor kiting - they can also sideslip. You can go much smaller with a kite surfboard than with a prone paddle surfboard.
one disadvantage of any tail with a sharper corner is that when they smack you in the face - they bite way more.
the idea of the design of tail 2 is to have a wide tail and because you have one half of teh fish tail - you may be able to bite a bit more - but not that much more - it doesnt make a huge difference compared to narrowing teh atil
width. gimmicky imo
If you lined up all teh tails and they were all in teh same proportion, it wouldnt actually make anything like the difference compared to changes in the width to tail proportions, or hardness/thickness of the rail changes
- because you can ride real small dimensions kiting, it does change the game a bit compared to prone surfboards
in surfing you have fish, possibly a twin fin (less friction / faster, - wide tails for soft waves - get through sections but when it gets steep and fast - out of control
rounded square tails - narrower on pretty much all performance surfboards
pin tails - on guns - very narrow - control at high speed - dont do tight arcing turns so well though
kiteboard surfboards are gimmicky no doubt, usually designed by someone with no real clue about surfboards - marketing a gimmick is easy with kiteboarding punters. Take a trend in surfing and just copy it, not really understanding it.
channels are pretty cool - expensive to do and a pita though which is why no one really like doing them /glassing them.
longwhitecloud wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:14 amMany shapers have no clue whatsoever.... many cannot even ride the boards they shape... never could. As for advice in a surf shop - you get the worst advice ever... it is a sales pitch..
You really have to find out for yourself by riding many different boards in different conditions to understand the extent of the bull$hit spewed from "experts" mouths in this area.
Having surfed and kited the naki, one issue i reckon with kiting is going too fast without being in control... sometimes need a board that lets you stay in control... kills speed even.
Repeating what I heard, sorry -- no facts I've yet to hear anything that makes any sense about swallow tails...or rather, more sense than that. I know he said a bunch of stuff, but that's all that stuck. Probably misremembered it too he might have said something about keeping a longer, straighter rail and having less effective width in the tail, I dimly remember something about that. Dammit, I know this would happen.