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Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby antonioc6 » Sun May 12, 2019 10:32 pm

Hi. Anyone can help me on this issue. What is your opinion to use for example a Naish bar on a Duotone or a Slingshot Kite?

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Bran

Postby RustyChain » Sun May 12, 2019 11:08 pm

I believe Duotone is high Y. Naish and Slingshot are low/open v center line.

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby Sun » Sun May 12, 2019 11:47 pm

You can basically fly any 4 line kite with any 4 line bar, provided that you may need to use pigtails to adapt the loops and knots.

Cabrinha, Ozone, Best, and Eleveight bars have loops on the steering lines, knots on the center lines.

Duotone, Old North, and Naish bars have loops on the center lines, knots on the steering lines.

I use my low vee Eleveight bar on my North Dice kites. North kites are supposed to use high Y bars. It makes a little difference, but nothing objectionable.

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon May 13, 2019 12:22 pm

True, any 4 line bar can be used on any 4 lined kite.

High or low V doesnt matter much - some will say it does, but you will probably not be able to feel any difference.

Knots and loops, if they are different, just change the pigtails on either your bar, or your kite(s) so you can use it on everything you got :thumb:

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby tkaraszewski » Mon May 13, 2019 3:01 pm

I use my f-one bar with f-one, flysurfer, and Cabrinha kites and it works fine. I need pigtails for Cabrinha, and the bar can be set for either high or low front line split.
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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby antonioc6 » Mon May 13, 2019 3:49 pm

Guys thank you for the help. Really useful. Final question, where do you buy the pigtails online?
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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby Peter_Frank » Mon May 13, 2019 5:39 pm

antonioc6 wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 3:49 pm
Guys thank you for the help. Really useful. Final question, where do you buy the pigtails online?

I dont know, but you can use "any" piece of line (not kiteline) and tie the knot/loop ends yourself.

Can be bought online for sure, but also really easy to take any suitable line/rope and make the adapters yourself :thumb:

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby whabbits » Mon May 13, 2019 6:50 pm

The only thing I'd like to add to this thread is regarding single front line safety vs 2 front line safety.

As long as you bar it's a single front line safety system, then go ahead and use it across any kite.

There are still 2 front line safety bars out there and if you have that system, well I'd suggest to just get a new single front line safety system bar.

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby foilholio » Mon May 13, 2019 9:25 pm

This thread is full of lies. Definitely don't trust that big liar "Peter".

Listen to the brands. Only that brands bar will work with that brands kite. Even more specifically only that brands year of bar will work properly with that bars year of kite. You run the risk of the kite exploding if you get it wrong! For example latest bar 2024 model can really only work with 2024 kite. Now there have been some instances of latter year bars working with earlier kites. But you may have to buy the brands specially compatibility pigtails. Don't be tempted to buy aftermarket pigtails or god forbid try making them yourself! To make pigtails you need a degree in Knottyology and even then you need the Brands certificate of connections. Get it wrong and use the wrong pigtail and not only will the kite explode but so will the bar.

Anyways stay safe! Don't risk that new $6000 kite by skimping on a new $2000 bar.

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Re: Different Kite and Bar Brand

Postby tautologies » Mon May 13, 2019 9:40 pm

Peter_Frank wrote:
Mon May 13, 2019 12:22 pm
True, any 4 line bar can be used on any 4 lined kite.

High or low V doesnt matter much - some will say it does, but you will probably not be able to feel any difference.

Knots and loops, if they are different, just change the pigtails on either your bar, or your kite(s) so you can use it on everything you got :thumb:

8) Peter
There are of course some conditions to this. For instance will a high Y on a large high AR kite not be ideal, or it might change the flight qualities of the kite.

Some bars might also not follow the kites requirement, like I had a bar where the front lines were way shorter than the backlines. It would only work with that one kite so to use it with other kites I would have to mod the bar.
So OP just pay attention. If you are not sure what you are doing, then ask more specific questions here or go with the kite bar combo.


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