Did not see that thread before. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!Qiter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:13 pmThis was recently discussed, see here:
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Hope this helps,
Did not see that thread before. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!Qiter wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:13 pmThis was recently discussed, see here:
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Hope this helps,
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junebug wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:02 pmMy experience is with 3 strut wave kites only, but I have found that there is no real benefit at my weight (195lbs) and equipment (Lift 150) to a 12m. I can go down to 8/9 knots (in warm thermal wind) with a 10m and 23m lines depending on tides and current. The low end of a 12m might be slightly lower once on foil, but it is so much heavier that keeping it flying at that wind speed when not on foil is a real challenge. Plus, as you say, the 12m gets overpowered quickly, particularly if you like flying underpowered, like I do. I’ve concluded the better solution is to go with the 10m and just add some length to the lines if I need more power, which I rarely do.
In fact, I’m debating getting rid of the 10m and having the 9m be my biggest kite. The range that I use the 10m is 8-10 knots, and I feel confident I can get to 9 knots on a 9m with 29m lines. I need to do some testing on the next 9 knot day to be sure.
I think this is more a personal thing.Peter_Frank wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:55 pmjunebug wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:02 pmMy experience is with 3 strut wave kites only, but I have found that there is no real benefit at my weight (195lbs) and equipment (Lift 150) to a 12m. I can go down to 8/9 knots (in warm thermal wind) with a 10m and 23m lines depending on tides and current. The low end of a 12m might be slightly lower once on foil, but it is so much heavier that keeping it flying at that wind speed when not on foil is a real challenge. Plus, as you say, the 12m gets overpowered quickly, particularly if you like flying underpowered, like I do. I’ve concluded the better solution is to go with the 10m and just add some length to the lines if I need more power, which I rarely do.
In fact, I’m debating getting rid of the 10m and having the 9m be my biggest kite. The range that I use the 10m is 8-10 knots, and I feel confident I can get to 9 knots on a 9m with 29m lines. I need to do some testing on the next 9 knot day to be sure.
This is not my experience...
Even at my 170 lbs and foils/wings that go lower than most, I still get a huge benefit going from 10 to 12 m2.
The difficulty is of course, that the 12 m2 need to be "super" light in order to have a chance to fly it in 6 max 7 knots.
So I think you got the wrong 12 m2 if you experience it hangs worse...
The advantage in power is surprising in my experience, even me being the one riding 2 sizes smaller than everyone else around here.
And sometimes the 12 wont do anymore, and you need an UL foilkite instead, when at or below 6 knots sometimes.
These are the good summerdays as I have said so often, that you really remember and appreciate, so althoug I agree the "wind" difference going from 10 to 12 is not much in numbers, but in terms of joy and rideable days, the difference is huge.
I can easily ride in 9 knots with a 9 m2 (170 lbs), but this is also quite some wind and probably not the issue from the OP.
Peter
Peter, yes, as I stated, the bulk of my experience is limited to 3 strut kites. I’m sure if I went to a strutless kite or 1 strut kite I could maybe go 1 knot lower, from 8 knots with my 10m to 7 knots with a 12m.Peter_Frank wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:55 pmjunebug wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:02 pmMy experience is with 3 strut wave kites only, but I have found that there is no real benefit at my weight (195lbs) and equipment (Lift 150) to a 12m. I can go down to 8/9 knots (in warm thermal wind) with a 10m and 23m lines depending on tides and current. The low end of a 12m might be slightly lower once on foil, but it is so much heavier that keeping it flying at that wind speed when not on foil is a real challenge. Plus, as you say, the 12m gets overpowered quickly, particularly if you like flying underpowered, like I do. I’ve concluded the better solution is to go with the 10m and just add some length to the lines if I need more power, which I rarely do.
In fact, I’m debating getting rid of the 10m and having the 9m be my biggest kite. The range that I use the 10m is 8-10 knots, and I feel confident I can get to 9 knots on a 9m with 29m lines. I need to do some testing on the next 9 knot day to be sure.
This is not my experience...
Even at my 170 lbs and foils/wings that go lower than most, I still get a huge benefit going from 10 to 12 m2.
The difficulty is of course, that the 12 m2 need to be "super" light in order to have a chance to fly it in 6 max 7 knots.
So I think you got the wrong 12 m2 if you experience it hangs worse...
The advantage in power is surprising in my experience, even me being the one riding 2 sizes smaller than everyone else around here.
And sometimes the 12 wont do anymore, and you need an UL foilkite instead, when at or below 6 knots sometimes.
These are the good summerdays as I have said so often, that you really remember and appreciate, so althoug I agree the "wind" difference going from 10 to 12 is not much in numbers, but in terms of joy and rideable days, the difference is huge.
I can easily ride in 9 knots with a 9 m2 (170 lbs), but this is also quite some wind and probably not the issue from the OP.
Peter
I think you need to define "marginal" firsthenrikch wrote: ↑Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:23 pmI'm looking for a new tube kite for hydrofoiling in marginal wind.
I've been looking at Naish Boxer because I'm using Naish for twintip.
But since this kite is not sold in my home country, I can't try it before buying.
I am looking for experiences with the boxer, I'm not sure if I should choose the 14kvm or 16kvm.
I am also interested in experiences with other brands that can go so low in the wind as possible, but also sail well.
Thanks in advance
Henrik
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