Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Forum for kitesurfers
Larssov
Rare Poster
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Local Beach: Dalarö
Gear: Bandit
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby Larssov » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:10 pm

Hi everyone - has anyone tried the 14M sizes of any of these kites from 2018, or 2019 ?

I am trying to understand how they fly compared to the 12M versions, but am yet to find anyone who knows :)

BOEMIX
Frequent Poster
Posts: 309
Joined: Fri May 08, 2015 10:57 pm
Local Beach: Sant Pere Pescador (Spain)
Favorite Beaches: Etang de l'Eole, La Franqui (France)
Style: Freeriding
Gear: Kites: ozone: Flusurfer Soul15m, Flusurfer Peak 11m, Flysurfer Peak 8m, Ozone access 6m, Ozone Enduro 7 and 10m, Ozone Edge 13m,
Boards: Naish Bullet 5,4, Liewe Shotgun 138x41, Custom Saul 145x45, Custom Race TTBoard, Custom Rikyshapes foil board with Sabfoil.

For winging: Duotone 5'5 Aluula Unit, Takuma Ride3 5m, Cabrinha Mantis 4m, Slinshot 3'2, and also Custom Rikyshapes winging with Sabfoil as the biard/foil.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby BOEMIX » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:31 pm

14m kites of any brand always seem to accumulate a lot of hate: "It's just useless to have a kite bigger than 10m, and you are stupid if you buy it" a lot of people say.

If your 12m kite doesn't give you enough power, why not give a try to a 14m, specially if it is the kind of kite you are used to ride.

Larssov
Rare Poster
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Local Beach: Dalarö
Gear: Bandit
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby Larssov » Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:43 pm

Yes - that was my plan, but i wanted to see if someone tried...

I am 85 KG and have a rather small board of 135cm. In sweden the most common wind is like 13-17 knots, which is just a bit to little for my bandit 12 at the moment. But as you said - everyone gives so much "hate" 14M historically (They are so slow etc.) So i wanted to hear if someone actually tried the more newer models. Even maybe a core 13.5

Leon van Bergen
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 1124
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:25 am
Kiting since: 2016
Local Beach: Wijk aan Zee, Netherlands
Gear: Duotone Rebel 7,9,11 SLS ‘23 | 14m Juice Dlab | Lieuwe Shotgun
Has thanked: 1143 times
Been thanked: 301 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby Leon van Bergen » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:50 am

Larssov wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:43 pm
Yes - that was my plan, but i wanted to see if someone tried...

I am 85 KG and have a rather small board of 135cm. In sweden the most common wind is like 13-17 knots, which is just a bit to little for my bandit 12 at the moment. But as you said - everyone gives so much "hate" 14M historically (They are so slow etc.) So i wanted to hear if someone actually tried the more newer models. Even maybe a core 13.5
You say it yourself, you have a small board. I can't give you advice about a 14m kite because I don't have any experience with it but I do know that with a good 153 board you can easily use your 12m kite!

tomato
Medium Poster
Posts: 141
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:51 pm
Local Beach: Sweden
Style: faceplant!!!
Gear: old
Has thanked: 12 times
Been thanked: 26 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby tomato » Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:40 pm

Larssov wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:43 pm
Yes - that was my plan, but i wanted to see if someone tried...

I am 85 KG and have a rather small board of 135cm. In sweden the most common wind is like 13-17 knots, which is just a bit to little for my bandit 12 at the moment. But as you said - everyone gives so much "hate" 14M historically (They are so slow etc.) So i wanted to hear if someone actually tried the more newer models. Even maybe a core 13.5
as other say- you need bigger board. 14m kite is 12m kite for fat guys. It has just a bit more grunt, but 14m kite is not light wind kite.
I kite also in Sweden, my main ones are 12 and 9 and use with 136X41 board (I am 80kg, 185cm). I have 16m as ligh wind, but to get upwind- I need bigger board. Small board+ big kite- I just plow water, not much upwind gain.

andrzej351
Medium Poster
Posts: 125
Joined: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:10 am
Kiting since: 2014
Local Beach: Wijk aan zee
Favorite Beaches: Slufter, Jastarnia,
Style: Free ride, Big Air
Gear: Naish Pivot, Naish Monarch
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 446 times
Been thanked: 24 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby andrzej351 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Hey . I don't have F-one but I have Naish pivot 12 and 14 m. both kites are from 2019. despite only these 2m, differences in wind range between both kites are really quite significant.

Pana
Frequent Poster
Posts: 222
Joined: Thu Jan 07, 2016 12:46 am
Kiting since: 2010
Weight: 200 lbs
Local Beach: Lake Champlain, Baie des Brises
Favorite Beaches: Cabarete, Paracuru, Santa Veronica
Style: Smooth, old school, wave carver
Gear: Ocean Rodeo Roam HL 6-7-8 & 9m. Aluula 10-12 & 14m
Nomad wave TT
Shared gear with adorable wife
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Qué./ Canada
Has thanked: 21 times
Been thanked: 66 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby Pana » Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:18 pm

Hi,

I have 12 and 14 Ozone enduros because I share gear with my wife. For me at 90 kg the prefered wind window for the 14 is 13-16 knots. Used mainly when i travel to the caribean. Use it with my main board and a larger board, it is a session saver. This said it is significantly slower than the 12. I go down to 12 m as soon as I can. I use shorter 23 m lines when wind is good 25 and 27 m for lightest conditions. Since I bought the 14 I sold my 17. if i was alone I would probably do 12 to LW15 (3 struts). Use extensions it makes a significant difference in low wind.

BOEMIX
Frequent Poster
Posts: 309
Joined: Fri May 08, 2015 10:57 pm
Local Beach: Sant Pere Pescador (Spain)
Favorite Beaches: Etang de l'Eole, La Franqui (France)
Style: Freeriding
Gear: Kites: ozone: Flusurfer Soul15m, Flusurfer Peak 11m, Flysurfer Peak 8m, Ozone access 6m, Ozone Enduro 7 and 10m, Ozone Edge 13m,
Boards: Naish Bullet 5,4, Liewe Shotgun 138x41, Custom Saul 145x45, Custom Race TTBoard, Custom Rikyshapes foil board with Sabfoil.

For winging: Duotone 5'5 Aluula Unit, Takuma Ride3 5m, Cabrinha Mantis 4m, Slinshot 3'2, and also Custom Rikyshapes winging with Sabfoil as the biard/foil.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 2 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby BOEMIX » Sun Aug 18, 2019 6:10 am

Finally I did it! my 13m edge replaced for a 14 m enduro!

And I did that stupid change just for practice kiteloops in light wind.

My feelings... a 14 m kite is just too big for kiteloop properly, it just allows my to do half of the loop, but that said.. it allows me to try kiteloops in 14-15 knots intead of m 10m enduro (my favourite kite of all time of times!) that only gives me kitelooping power in 18-20 knots. So good swap!

I still have to try the 14M enduro with foil, and my feeling is that it's gonna be worst tan my presious 13m edge (ultra delta/bow kite) but if you chose a freeride allround kite, you trade things always.

Anyway, I think 14m kites don't desrve the hate most people have to them, but that said... I'm 90 kg...

Larssov
Rare Poster
Posts: 8
Joined: Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:25 pm
Local Beach: Dalarö
Gear: Bandit
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 0
Been thanked: 0

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby Larssov » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:43 pm

Thanks!. Anyone tried the bandit or the dice on 14?

PeaBody
Medium Poster
Posts: 75
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:45 pm
Style: Free-ride
Gear: Anything to fly
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 8 times

Re: f-one bandit 14m vs Dutone Dice/Evo 14m compared to 12M?

Postby PeaBody » Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:46 pm

It depends if its an upscaled 14m or a designed 14m. The Airush Lithium 14mLW is a great 14m, I cant comment on other brands but do some investigation on what 14m kites are designed and not just upscaled.


Return to “Kitesurfing”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: andylc, Baptiste_FR, basti52406, Cab Driver, gl, grigorib, IvanoKite, nothing2seehere, Peter_Frank, tilmann, vladi elthve, Yahoo [Bot] and 352 guests