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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby purdyd » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:04 pm

jumptheshark wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 2:49 pm
Looking at how best announced the introduction of cuban fibre compared to how Ocean Rodeo are phrasing their marketing on Aluula. It's pretty clear Ocean Rodeo are taking a comparatively understated approach.
Perhaps, I’ve heard some interesting claims and the other problem is that there is an amplifying echo affect from people.

Example you.

I’ve also come across perfectly normal people talking about aluula. One guy told me aluula was made completely of graphene.

I think the hype is higher than you realize.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Bille » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:05 pm

foilholio wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:39 am
I think the issue with cuben has always been the lamination of different materials. Surely the solution is to just weave the materials together like normal fabric. I mean by laminating things together you are not just trying to use a new material but reinvent fabric. Reinvent a proven 1000's year old technology, like trying to reinvent the wheel.
I'm, (thinking) they went for the laminating , because the fibers can stay
aligned in a straight line better ; if so then ya get a 30% increase in
strength, over a fiber that's bin woven ??

Biggest problem with laminating stuff is if the glue
breaks down , the product will fail ; and like "foilholio" mentioned
it's not as likely to happen when stuff is woven together !
Watched that happen when Hang gliders went for the laminated
Technora sails , and they were stiffer (for a year or two) until the
expensive sail needed replacing ; but the woven Dacron just kept
its integrity for sometimes Decades, before it went By-By.

A great example is my Rigid-wing HG , which was made in 1997 ; the
thing still flies GREAT , and the Dacron woven sail looks like it
could last another 10-years !!!

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby jumptheshark » Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:38 pm

You haven't heard a single claim from me. I haven't made any with respect to Aluula. I haven't even touched the stuff.

I've made comment on other people's guess work and dismissals.

I can't wait to actually see the stuff role out and absolutely want to try it, but am simply excited to see evolution in materials in kiting and the implications it has for further design development.

Of course there will be a degree of hype and promotion, and along with that will come everything from graphene fantasies to thumbed noses.

Think you'll find my commentary, cautiously optimistic.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Greenturtle » Sat Sep 07, 2019 6:09 pm

Ocean Rodeo easily have some of the most understated marketing in the business. Their past and current marketing videos (if even any!) often do not include commentary at all, and if it does its always even keeled.
I think the lightweight aluula material is a totally awesome concept, and say bring it on, light as possible, yay yay yay, and then some. Also make the 21m Flite, at least two of them, one for toby and one for me.

Now on the skeptical side, there is one commenter on the nwkite forum that said something about valves... sticking or not sticking to the new bladder material (for f@ks sake OR make sure they never ever come off!) and also about potential difficulties repairing pinholes etc in said bladder material. Obviously this a comment from who knows who and for what motive who knows.
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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby ap888 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 pm

It says it's lighter then most single strut kites but still say it's Dacron not Aluula wtf ?
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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Greenturtle » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:20 pm

Thats the description of the standard model, lightened up for 2020, and if they are built like my gen 4&5 flites they are indeed a tad lighter than lf solo, mono, boxer perhaps (thus “most”)

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby Toby » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:42 pm

What I wish for is a kite that gives me the power of my 18 in 20-25 knots, but for 15-20 knots... Like a big foil kite delivers...the lift and hangtime...
Because for the tricks I need to do nowadays I need power...an 18 can't give me in the lighter wind.

Also the option to trim it faster or slower...

I am actually thinking of bringing my old Rhino 2 20 back to life if I don't find solutions...

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby ap888 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:48 am

Guess they are making normal construction and aluula black series ?

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby iriejohn » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:11 pm

ap888 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:54 pm
It says it's lighter then most single strut kites but still say it's Dacron not Aluula wtf ?
That's the current production kite, not the future Aluula kite.

For the future Aluula kite follow the "Black" link.

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Re: Aluula ? New Revolutionary Material from Ocean Rodeo

Postby foilholio » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:00 am

Toby wrote: What I wish for is a kite that gives me the power of my 18 in 20-25 knots, but for 15-20 knots... Like a big foil kite delivers...
You answered your own question. A 21m especially race type foil like Sonic will do what you want. I am sure too if you wanted more power Flysurfer would mail you free a one off of any size you wanted, 25m?. The Rhino 20m is not even as good as a 15m foil for lift and hang.
Bille wrote: I'm, (thinking) they went for the laminating , because the fibers can stay
aligned in a straight line better ; if so then ya get a 30% increase in
strength, over a fiber that's bin woven ??
For certain woven will reduce strength but I would be surprised at that much. With fibers that are much weaker to bending ,like fiberglass and carbon, are where weave is more important.


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