Ramairholio wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:55 pmJust the time I save setting up and that alone is a huge factor in sticking with foil kites.
Then there is landing.
Against everything else they just have too many positives.
Ramairholio wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:55 pmJust the time I save setting up and that alone is a huge factor in sticking with foil kites.
Then there is landing.
Against everything else they just have too many positives.
Matt, one word: Chasta!!!Some kiters don't understand that "race kites" ARE "race kites". Don't buy them if you are not going to race on them.
Ozone deserves credit for taking the Chrono I and making it into a much more stable Chrono 2. For a skilled kiter, the Chrono 2 is usable for everything and is the most capable kite I have ever flown. Flysurfer does not offer anything close to it in performance. But yes, the Chrono 1 and R1 (specifically race kites) are of no use to have fun on, unless you think winning a race is fun. And personally, for my style on the snow, I cannot even make a Chrono 1 or R1 handle the terrain and winds I like to ride in. But again, the Chrono 2 is the best kite I have ever flown at my current skill level and it lets me hit any terrain, or handle any wind. I wish I owned one. But if you tried to give me a Chrono 1/R1 or R2, I would refuse or just sell it immediately.
Stay away from race kites.
The comparison should be more on the level when you kite in cold water with a foil kite in light wind and when it falls and doesn't relaunch. You're just doomed. It's what happened to my friend with a very light wind on his Chrono 2. The kite was totally invisible from the surface and he couldn't be spotted out by anyone from the shore. The same stuff happened to him a couple of months ago with a Pivot a 20 min later a rescue boat came form people who spotted him from the shore. Really too many drawbacks to justify using a foil.drsurf wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:38 pmComparing 15m & 18m foil kites with 8m to 12m LEI kites is a bizarre comparison. The wind ranges between these two types of kites at these respective sizes can't be compared. A 9m or 10m Flysurfer Soul foil kite would be a more accurate comparison as a foil kite with a 12m Pivot.flysurfing wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:57 pmHad a 15 and 18m Sonic Flysurfer before.
Sold them both.
Now on Pivot 8/9/10/12 and honestly don't see the point of having Ram anymore.
One of my good buddies who foils on a daily basis had a Chrono and had a huge issue the kite falling and tangling. He sold it a few days after and went on the Pivot only for foiling.
If you are interested in hydrofoiling, where the big gains in time on the water in light winds are to be made, then foil kites shine. Both for staying in the air and relaunching in conditions where even single strut LEI kites struggle. If you're using a larger surf hydrofoil then a foil kite which is half the cost of an LEI kite can be used such as the Flysurfer Peak4. These are simple single skinned foils and have a lot of power for their size, stay in the air down to 4 knots and drift & depower better than any other kite while still being controllable. The bridles are also simple and don't tend to tangle.
I've also used the Peak4 5m with a TT and it feels closer to an LEI kite than any other foil. If you drop it, it may not relaunch but you have to deliberately dive it into the water or have less than 4 knots of wind for it to fall.
Not like foils have advanced since then have they?flysurfing wrote: When I started kiting in 1997 we were using Flexifoil Blade
That is like completely not how I would describe the Sonics. But again a kite like the Sonic is completely different to a kite like the Pivot.flysurfing wrote: Then I gave a chance to the Sonic and was fairly disappointed. The kites were heavy and didn't feel nice... I sold it and now happy on the Pivot.
Have you tried a blade or other buggy kite It actually works better than most of foil kites on the market nowadaysfoilholio wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:10 pmNot like foils have advanced since then have they?flysurfing wrote: When I started kiting in 1997 we were using Flexifoil Blade
That is like completely not how I would describe the Sonics. But again a kite like the Sonic is completely different to a kite like the Pivot.flysurfing wrote: Then I gave a chance to the Sonic and was fairly disappointed. The kites were heavy and didn't feel nice... I sold it and now happy on the Pivot.
So is your meme, pulley!PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:05 pmRamairholio wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:55 pmJust the time I save setting up and that alone is a huge factor in sticking with foil kites.
Then there is landing.
Against everything else they just have too many positives.
When it comes to Kiteforum you always GOPHER it with your opinions !!Matteo V wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:36 pmSo is your meme, pulley!PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:05 pmRamairholio wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:55 pmJust the time I save setting up and that alone is a huge factor in sticking with foil kites.
Then there is landing.
Against everything else they just have too many positives.
Open cell ram airs set up and launch AND land much easier than any tubie in medium to light winds. In high winds, they do have issues
Closed cell ram airs set up and launch, but don't land any better than tubies.
And from a snowkite perspective, ram airs are just much better in everything except high winds. But there are some ram airs that are still almost as good as most inflatables in high winds.