climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

[SimonP]

Yes, but not everyone pollutes equally. Populations are increasing in some third world countries, but these people consume little, don't travel, don't eat much meat, and recycle everything they can get their hands on. The American economy is incredibly inefficient, there is so much waste and little recycling and reuse. It is possible to live a first world lifestyle and pollute little, the Scandinavians are the leaders in that regard.

[Havre]

Climate change fans. I like that. Good way of describing things.

What I don't understand is why wouldn't these fans rather listen to someone with actual knowledge? Wouldn't it be better if BBC would use those resources to allow the voices of people with knowledge be heard?

It is because of these kind of silly decisions from the likes of BBC that the two most well known names for the "climate change fans" are Gore and Thunberg. Two people that don't really know much about climate change. Regardless of which "side" you are leaning towards I would prefer an enlightened scientific debate rather than this emotional ÷^÷^'. Thunberg is a bit like listening to a 7 year old sing on some talent show. Impressive for her age, but really irrelevant as a proper artist.

[Matteo V]

Yes, but not everyone pollutes equally. Populations are increasing in some third world countries, but these people consume little, don't travel, don't eat much meat, and recycle everything they can get their hands on.

Only for a given static point in time.

And as China transforms the third world into the cheap labor/pollution dumping ground for China, that will all change. China is on track to create an environmental disaster orders of magnitude larger than the environmental disaster created when regulations "cleaned up" the West.

The U.S. population is 325 million or so. Most of our manufactured goods, which are produced at great cost to the environment and ecosystems, are made in China.

What do you think the environmental cost will be when 1.5 billion Chinese shift their production to the cheap labor available in third world countries? What kind of environmental regulations do you think will be in place in those third world countries? Where do you think the energy to produce those manufactured goods is going to come from in those third world countries?

But yet environmentalist here in the West tell us that all we have to do is start using solar panels and wind power! They're sweeping the entire house under the rug! The environmental impact of the West is about to be eclipsed by the second and third world. From there, the total impact of humanity will increase to the point where the West will likely become a fraction of a percentage of the total problem.

The environmental issues we face are not technological or local policy. They are, in fact, a global socio-political issue.

[prop_joe]

I can't tell you what the weather will be on 11 Feb 2050, but I can tell you that 2050 will almost certainly be warmer than 2020, unless there is a large Karakatoa/Pinatubo volcanic event or there is a drastic curtailment of greenhouse gas emissions.

This lady seems to suggest the opposite. For those who like qualifications she lists them out at the beginning



She acknowledges agw and says this period buys us some time. Notice the almost fearful way she has separate the two at the end... like the Stazi's behind the camera waiting to gag n bag her

[SimonP]

Once again, you're cherry-picking scientists at the extreme edge of considered opinion. Northumbria University is hardly the most prestigious of institutions Nevertheless, she acknowledges that AGW is occurring, because it is.
Here we are at near Maunder minimum conditions and yet temperatures are warmer today than they have been in at least the last 100,000 years.
There have been countless attribution studies that show that maximal solar variation is only about 0.1% of total solar output and can change global mean temperature by only a fraction of a degree. Other factors have to be in play as well to effect an ice age.

[prop_joe]

Once again, you're cherry-picking scientists at the extreme edge of considered opinion. Northumbria University is hardly the most prestigious of institutions Nevertheless, she acknowledges that AGW is occurring, because it is.
Here we are at near Maunder minimum conditions and yet temperatures are warmer today than they have been in at least the last 100,000 years.
There have been countless attribution studies that show that maximal solar variation is only about 0.1% of total solar output and can change global mean temperature by only a fraction of a degree. Other factors have to be in play as well to effect an ice age.

Not cherry picking anything... don't think that phrase is even applicable. Science is science.

You say world will be warmer in 2050, I find scientist who says it will be cooler... you ignore and respond with some other stuff. I continue to think no one knows what the temp will be in 2050... round and round and round.

[foilholio]

SimonP is confusing science with religion. Looking for an authority to lay it all out for him. Right or wrong. I think it will definitely be warmer in 2050 but what the trend is doing is more important. Will 2050 be warmer than 2040? Will warming be leveling off? The Alarmist say things at 2050 are just getting started. So to me if by 2050 the rate of increase is still increasing as it is now then maybe alarm is warranted. We will see. By 2050 though it is highly likely fossil fuels are no longer economical and their use is severely reduced. We may talk about methods to reduce carbon and the temp. We as well may have seen so much benefit from increased temps and CO2, reasonably discussion may be be growing about increasing both more. The highly likely outcome for 2050 is another world war has occurred and most of civilization is destroyed. Talk of climate silliness will not be on anyones minds that are left.

There have been countless attribution studies that show that maximal solar variation is only about 0.1% of total solar output and can change global mean temperature by only a fraction of a degree

How long have we been measuring solar output? What about spectral changes? What devices are we using to measure them? How long have we had them? What is the period between large climate shifts? What was the sun doing around the last one? Who recorded it?

Other factors have to be in play as well to effect an ice age.

Most definitely. But given it's regularity it would seem it is not likely something random. Ice I think is the key player. A situation must enter that it can increase and so it cools more causing it to increase more and so on and on...Major ocean currents collapsing could be the trigger. Would be quite ironic if global warming triggered an ice age. At some point the systems oscillations will change, be it the orbit, the ocean currents, the magnetic field, or anything else. We know things have not ever been static forever.

Yes, but not everyone pollutes equally. Populations are increasing in some third world countries

Yes but if one population is not increasing does it give the other a right to increase? European countries are currently committing racial suicide. Do the people actually democratically support this or is it some global agenda pushed on them?

1. Any country with a decreasing population, should be rewarded for that decrease.

2. Any attempt to increase the population of one of these countries should be stopped.

3. A solution should be applied to the current Financial system so that it can function in a decreasing population. As of now it cannot. But countries with decreasing populations should be the test bed for a system that allows prosperity when the population is declining. This third solution is the most difficult of all because those who are fighting against it are the richest and most powerful, and have all of the politicians and scientists in their back pocket. I suspect that if truly cleaning up the environment, and making problems solvable in the future "hits a brick wall", this will be the brick wall.

I get your reasons for these Matteo but they are not too far from those seeking socialism or equality. What sort of entity would need to be created to implement these? you are looking at global governance. To me that is an almost nightmare scenario. You want to suppress populations? Forced sterilizations, abortions? Labor camps? gas cambers? Where does it start and end?

It is a difficult problem. A solution will come eventually though, some mad men will make a virus to wipe out most people. I just hope we have at least got to space self sufficiently before that happens. Setting civilization back that far or what a world war would do may see us never again get to a level to achieve it.

[slide]

greta won't be ignored , and her new series on the BBC will be full of facts, and more facts , david Attenborough will guest , and this is just what we need

listening to greta is like a 7 year old on a talent show is bollicks , and also explain to me why the bbc is silly !
what the bbc is doing is telling the truth -if you don't want the truth , and if you don't want to hear the truth why are you posting on here , we have 10 years to stop the temperature rising 1 1/2 degrees , if it happens then there is no going back , this imformation is critical for the future
you can ridicule all you like , but this is reality
so why do we get so many on this thread who just want to argue the facts , the truth , don't you have kids , and let me ask you , do you want a future that is stable and healthy for your kids and grandchildren , or are just selfish and have self interest only , ahh f*** everybody , i've got want I want in life ,why should I care

[slide]

what i'll do i'll post on here when the series begins so you can watch it and catch up with the facts , and what is really going on so you won't be I doubt any more
but it will be a great show, greta is very deternmined and will not shut up , regardless of what beef rump says and , i'm looking forward to it ,but don't worry if you miss the show , i'll post the facts for you , just so you know -there is nothing better than information

the bbc will talk and interview many scientists and will be in contact will scientists in the artic regions as we speak with old photo's and showing the glaciers and ice retreat , something no one in their right mind can disagree with

so what could be better , a great use of bbc programming time and funds , I can't wait and I can't wait to report back on here , so you can see the true disasters we will face around the world and are facing now which will become more as time goes on -last year we were still increasing global temperatures , and that must stop

[Havre]

That is like reading Trump's Twitter slide. Kind of ironic how you are not even trying to engage in any sort of meaningful discussion with anyone.

I happen to agree with David on overpopulation, but once again not someone that is especially knowledgeable about climate change - just because he has made tv programs about nature.