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Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby fuad » Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:54 pm

I was wondering why noone has opened this topic yet, so here it is :)

-Has anyone tried both Duotone Rebel and North Orbit (9/12m)?
-What’s your opinion and experience.
-Which kite provided you better lift and hangtime?

Please mention the kite and bar size you were riding (I’m most curious about bigger sizes, eg. if someone tested 12m size of both kites).
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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby Saltyman » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:21 am

Flown rebels from 2016-19.
12m.
The 2020 orbit kicks is bum in every discipline.
Orbit is nearly impossible to backstalling.
Rebel is a champion at it.
You need more kite control as Orbit is way faster.
And you can be a bit more aggressive on orbit and it likes it.
But a comparison test?
They are different kites.
I'm sure the rebel wasn't built to megaloop and win kota.
You can definitely feel input from the riders to what they want the orbit to do.
In my mind the orbit is in it's own class.
Try megalooping a 12m rebel.
You can megaloop a 12 orbit.
Now let the battle begin with the kiters who have a brand affiliation or think they have lol.
Orbit pulls you harder off the water.
Hangtime is good probably same depending on riders ability.
Orbit likes to be moved a bit through the air compared to rebel orbit likes being looped.
Otherwise just demo an orbit and rebel and come to your own conclusion.

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby Exal » Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:34 am

Here is my opinion and everyone else is biased. Classic mindfuck right there, good one saltydog.

Here is a nice review of the orbit, watch from 13.22 (ignore the character he plays)

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby edt » Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:23 am

I don't like the new rebel. I think if you go duotone get the Evo instead. I also don't like the orbit. It's got weird handling not fun to fly. Give North 1 or 2 more years to get the handling of the orbit fixed. Just my opinion.

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby SolarSet » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:31 pm

Saltyman wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:21 am
Flown rebels from 2016-19.
12m.
The 2020 orbit kicks is bum in every discipline.
Orbit is nearly impossible to backstalling.
Stability test switchblade vs Orbit, the second one really bad, pull front line and it falls off sky.


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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby Blackened » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:44 pm

They are different kites for different purposes. A more apt performance comparison would be the Evo and the Orbit. The Rebel (especially the 2020) is a hangtime monster and great for airstyle/easy jumping, but not much else. The Orbit is a more of an all around specialist and looping dream.

The Orbit takes a bit of time to get used to. It handles a little differently than most kites I've flown over the years. It's really difficult to describe. It's not a bad thing at all. It's much more direct than the pulleyed Duotone kites, but also weirdly takes more effort to initiate a turn. Once it starts turning, it's much, much more predictable, stable, and smooth. I haven't ridden the 2020 Evo/Dice yet though.

For me, I'd have the Rebel in the larger sizes (12m and above) and Orbit in smaller sizes (10m and below). Will need to try the new Evos first though with the new material construction and pulleyless bridle.
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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby Blackened » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:57 pm

Saltyman wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:21 am
The 2020 orbit kicks is bum in every discipline.
Orbit is nearly impossible to backstalling.
Rebel is a champion at it.
I agree with everything you said, except the above. Other than ease of jumping and hangtime, the Orbit is better than the Rebel (for what I want to do anyway). And they're both champions at backstalling :P. The Orbit just does it much more predictably, rather than the Rebel which randomly decides it doesn't want to climb during a loop and causes a little poo to come out.

Someone commented on the test of pulling the front lines between the Switchblade and Orbit. I don't know what this test is trying to show, but the Orbit flies heavily off the front lines, which is probably why it has a weird handling characteristic that takes some time to get accustomed.

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby apollo4000 » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:24 pm

I like the “North” Rebel, just to be difficult. 😀

In fact, just to be completely tricksy, I prefer the 5th Rebel 2016. A vintage year.

Haven’t tried the orbit. Rebel wannabe. Just saying.

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Re: Duotone Rebel Vs. North Orbit?

Postby Surfkiternew » Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:27 pm

If u Need to megaloop probably use the dice ..not the Rebel...u cant compare Orbit and Rebel....but Orbit and dice(or evo )....


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