A forum dedicated to Hydrofoil riders
-
adamj2281
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 650
- Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:21 am
- Kiting since: 2009
- Local Beach: Charleston, SC - Folly Beach
- Favorite Beaches: Folly Beach, Wrightsville Beach, Playa Avellanas, Barker's, GC, East End, St. Croix,VI
- Style: Surf mostly, some freeride
- Gear: Ocean Rodeo Roam 7,12
Ocean Rodeo Crave 9
5'2" North Whip CSC
5'4" Tomo Hydroshort
Nobile 2HD
Slingshot H4 Batwing foil
- Brand Affiliation: Ocean Rodeo
- Location: Charleston, SC
-
Has thanked:
21 times
-
Been thanked:
38 times
Postby adamj2281 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:41 am
As an update to this thread, no clue about the Apollo wing, but I picked up the H4 for that Black Friday deal and it's been great. It took a session or so to get used to as it provided a lot more feedback compared to the H5. It felt stiff at first, but I quickly found it was nice and carvy, the feedback helps on toeside to give you something to lean harder against.
Overall it's a good move from the beginner NF2.
-
Whattheflock
- Medium Poster
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:23 pm
- Kiting since: 2011
- Weight: 70kg
- Local Beach: Secret.
- Favorite Beaches: Open beaches.
- Style: Strapless Foil
- Gear: 7m prodigy, 10m flite, Moses DC 3'6" and 633/483/91cm
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
17 times
-
Been thanked:
25 times
Postby Whattheflock » Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:17 pm
Cefirmeza wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:13 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:10 am
I love my H4 but would lay down some extra bucks for the new apollo If was in your shoes right now..
Since launching date haven’t heard of any experience or reviews on this Apollo wing.
Considering the similarity with the popular 633 it must be a nice and forgiving wing for wave freeride kite riding but maybe the price is a bit of a turn off for the hoverglide owners to make an easy upgrade.
Yea I'm thinking of just bypassing the apollo and just going with a full 633/91cm setup now..
-
grigorib
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 4163
- Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
- Kiting since: 2009
- Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; Ocean Park, PR; SPI; Tawas, MI
- Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x
For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
.
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
468 times
-
Been thanked:
696 times
Postby grigorib » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:20 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:17 pm
Cefirmeza wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:13 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:10 am
I love my H4 but would lay down some extra bucks for the new apollo If was in your shoes right now..
Since launching date haven’t heard of any experience or reviews on this Apollo wing.
Considering the similarity with the popular 633 it must be a nice and forgiving wing for wave freeride kite riding but maybe the price is a bit of a turn off for the hoverglide owners to make an easy upgrade.
Yea I'm thinking of just bypassing the apollo and just going with a full 633/91cm setup now..
633 has been golden but depending on your weight and riding style you might want 20% smaller and 20% thinner 679 instead.
Here’s feedback from a friend who has had 633 for a year and got 679 before recent La Ventana trip
-
Attachments
-
-
Whattheflock
- Medium Poster
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:23 pm
- Kiting since: 2011
- Weight: 70kg
- Local Beach: Secret.
- Favorite Beaches: Open beaches.
- Style: Strapless Foil
- Gear: 7m prodigy, 10m flite, Moses DC 3'6" and 633/483/91cm
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
17 times
-
Been thanked:
25 times
Postby Whattheflock » Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:03 am
grigorib wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:20 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:17 pm
Cefirmeza wrote: ↑Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:13 pm
Since launching date haven’t heard of any experience or reviews on this Apollo wing.
Considering the similarity with the popular 633 it must be a nice and forgiving wing for wave freeride kite riding but maybe the price is a bit of a turn off for the hoverglide owners to make an easy upgrade.
Yea I'm thinking of just bypassing the apollo and just going with a full 633/91cm setup now..
633 has been golden but depending on your weight and riding style you might want 20% smaller and 20% thinner 679 instead.
Here’s feedback from a friend who has had 633 for a year and got 679 before recent La Ventana trip
I'm 70kg. I use a spaceskate which is larger than the 633. Wouldnt a 633 be quicker/more agile than a spaceskate?
-
grigorib
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 4163
- Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
- Kiting since: 2009
- Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; Ocean Park, PR; SPI; Tawas, MI
- Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x
For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
.
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
468 times
-
Been thanked:
696 times
Postby grigorib » Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:13 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:03 am
grigorib wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:20 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:17 pm
Yea I'm thinking of just bypassing the apollo and just going with a full 633/91cm setup now..
633 has been golden but depending on your weight and riding style you might want 20% smaller and 20% thinner 679 instead.
Here’s feedback from a friend who has had 633 for a year and got 679 before recent La Ventana trip
I'm 70kg. I use a spaceskate which is larger than the 633. Wouldnt a 633 be quicker/more agile than a spaceskate?
Yes, 633 is better/faster/smoother/lighter than H4 (Space Skate) but at 70kg weight one should get a 679 (or 683s) and it’ll be way more fun.
-
Whattheflock
- Medium Poster
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:23 pm
- Kiting since: 2011
- Weight: 70kg
- Local Beach: Secret.
- Favorite Beaches: Open beaches.
- Style: Strapless Foil
- Gear: 7m prodigy, 10m flite, Moses DC 3'6" and 633/483/91cm
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
17 times
-
Been thanked:
25 times
Postby Whattheflock » Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:12 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:13 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:03 am
grigorib wrote: ↑Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:20 pm
633 has been golden but depending on your weight and riding style you might want 20% smaller and 20% thinner 679 instead.
Here’s feedback from a friend who has had 633 for a year and got 679 before recent La Ventana trip
I'm 70kg. I use a spaceskate which is larger than the 633. Wouldnt a 633 be quicker/more agile than a spaceskate?
Yes, 633 is better/faster/smoother/lighter than H4 (Space Skate) but at 70kg weight one should get a 679 (or 683s) and it’ll be way more fun.
Appreciate the input! Which kite size do you think I'll need with the 679 at my weight? I usually use my spaceskate with a 17m strutless at 5-9knots, 10m at 9-14knots, 7m 14knots to 22ish knots. Freshwater in land lakes.
-
grigorib
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 4163
- Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
- Kiting since: 2009
- Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; Ocean Park, PR; SPI; Tawas, MI
- Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x
For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
.
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
468 times
-
Been thanked:
696 times
Postby grigorib » Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:54 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:12 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:13 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:03 am
I'm 70kg. I use a spaceskate which is larger than the 633. Wouldnt a 633 be quicker/more agile than a spaceskate?
Yes, 633 is better/faster/smoother/lighter than H4 (Space Skate) but at 70kg weight one should get a 679 (or 683s) and it’ll be way more fun.
Appreciate the input! Which kite size do you think I'll need with the 679 at my weight? I usually use my spaceskate with a 17m strutless at 5-9knots, 10m at 9-14knots, 7m 14knots to 22ish knots. Freshwater in land lakes.
I'm 200+ lbs riding 683s (same as 679) and my kite choice goes as following from lightest wind to strongest
9m Rally on 30m lines
7m Rally on 30m lines
7m Rally on regular lines
5m SST on regular lines
4m SST on regular lines
7m Rally on long lines is 10+ knots and up till I can ride 7 on regular lines. Below 10 is 9m on long lines. I try to stay not overpowered so I can comfortably loop kites so I tend to choose smaller kite. Pretty much white caps and up I can ride with 5m
I still have 11m Rally but wouldn't foil under it - it feels too big, too slow
If I was 70kg I would probably stay with 4/5/7/9 quiver but would ride 9 even less often.
-
Whattheflock
- Medium Poster
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:23 pm
- Kiting since: 2011
- Weight: 70kg
- Local Beach: Secret.
- Favorite Beaches: Open beaches.
- Style: Strapless Foil
- Gear: 7m prodigy, 10m flite, Moses DC 3'6" and 633/483/91cm
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
17 times
-
Been thanked:
25 times
Postby Whattheflock » Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:27 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:54 pm
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:12 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:13 pm
Yes, 633 is better/faster/smoother/lighter than H4 (Space Skate) but at 70kg weight one should get a 679 (or 683s) and it’ll be way more fun.
Appreciate the input! Which kite size do you think I'll need with the 679 at my weight? I usually use my spaceskate with a 17m strutless at 5-9knots, 10m at 9-14knots, 7m 14knots to 22ish knots. Freshwater in land lakes.
I'm 200+ lbs riding 683s (same as 679) and my kite choice goes as following from lightest wind to strongest
9m Rally on 30m lines
7m Rally on 30m lines
7m Rally on regular lines
5m SST on regular lines
4m SST on regular lines
7m Rally on long lines is 10+ knots and up till I can ride 7 on regular lines. Below 10 is 9m on long lines. I try to stay not overpowered so I can comfortably loop kites so I tend to choose smaller kite. Pretty much white caps and up I can ride with 5m
I still have 11m Rally but wouldn't foil under it - it feels too big, too slow
If I was 70kg I would probably stay with 4/5/7/9 quiver but would ride 9 even less often.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it!
-
grigorib
- Very Frequent Poster
- Posts: 4163
- Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
- Kiting since: 2009
- Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; Hood River; La Ventana; Ocean Park, PR; SPI; Tawas, MI
- Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m
Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/101cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 kitefoil or 2200/1700/1400 wingfoil wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, Naish MicroChip 80cm, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x
For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20” Guardian bar, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast
.
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
468 times
-
Been thanked:
696 times
Postby grigorib » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 am
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:27 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:54 pm
...
If I was 70kg I would probably stay with 4/5/7/9 quiver but would ride 9 even less often.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it!
Since Rallys have been my one-kite-fits-all for both jumping and foiling I kept using the 9m for lightwind foiling, not really tempted to use 11m for less wind as there comes wind speed when they gotta be actively flown to stay up in the air and larger wing weigh more as well.
Yet the 9m Rally at 6.6lbs is making me think of getting 10m Ghost for lightwind foiling. Maybe. Still debating.
What I’m not debating is 4/5/7 SST quiver for foiling planned for coming summer
-
Whattheflock
- Medium Poster
- Posts: 178
- Joined: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:23 pm
- Kiting since: 2011
- Weight: 70kg
- Local Beach: Secret.
- Favorite Beaches: Open beaches.
- Style: Strapless Foil
- Gear: 7m prodigy, 10m flite, Moses DC 3'6" and 633/483/91cm
- Brand Affiliation: None
-
Has thanked:
17 times
-
Been thanked:
25 times
Postby Whattheflock » Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:45 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:00 am
Whattheflock wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:27 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:54 pm
...
If I was 70kg I would probably stay with 4/5/7/9 quiver but would ride 9 even less often.
Thanks so much! Really appreciate it!
Since Rallys have been my one-kite-fits-all for both jumping and foiling I kept using the 9m for lightwind foiling, not really tempted to use 11m for less wind as there comes wind speed when they gotta be actively flown to stay up in the air and larger wing weigh more as well.
Yet the 9m Rally at 6.6lbs is making me think of getting 10m Ghost for lightwind foiling. Maybe. Still debating.
What I’m not debating is 4/5/7 SST quiver for foiling planned for coming summer
Thanks! Good information. I think my 7m prodigy and 10m flite should do well with the 679 then. The H4 is so large I get powered up quickly on my 7m. A smaller wing should hopefully balance my kite sizes out a bit more.. unfortunately the 679 package comes with a 82cm(?) mast instead of the 91cm.. I see the 633 comes with a 91cm though.. funny they put a larger foil on a taller mast and visa versa.
Return to “Hydrofoil”
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 413 guests