683 vs 695 confusion

[Wazza Foil]

Mixed comments on these two wings.
I have 683 and all good however if 695 is significantly better I would get one.
Anyone with an objective experienced opinion.
Thx

[grigorib]

695 is a great lowend wing for kite fuselage. Compared to 683s it would stall at certain point but it delivers quite lowend speed. Also 695 leading edge is straight, so it wouldn’t shed seaweed as good as swept back 683s would and it’s important for OBX. 695 setup is lighter

Moses 683s/710/450 1005 sq.cm 4.1 lbs
Moses 695/647/425 770 sq.cm 2.97 lbs

Both are amazing wings, there’s no controversy I see.

[joekitetime]

Mixed comments on these two wings.
I have 683 and all good however if 695 is significantly better I would get one.
Anyone with an objective experienced opinion.
Thx

I've been thinking of these two wings a lot lately as well. For me the distinction isn't the wing so much but the other gear I own (or that one own's). I actually learned a lot from reading up on grigorib's comments.

I think the wings are "similar" (the 683 probably has a tad 10% better low-end and also seems to be a little faster from what I've experienced).

The big difference I think is that if you own the 590, the 695 is a perfect, epic wing to add as a lighter wind wing. To me those two are perfect, and easier to travel with.

If you own the 633, I'd get the 683 for a higher performing, higher wind wing.

These are both assuming you own either the kite or the surf fuselage, but not both. But if you own both, then you've got money to burn, so get both! If not, I'd get the wing that fits the fuselage you already own.

Owning both, I change all the time on which is my favorite and I could ride either one in the same conditions. But I find the 683 to be better if I want to ride fast. Otherwise, I find them fairly similar.

But the 683 was designed for the surf fuselage (which fits the 633), and the 695 for the kite fuselage (which fits the 590), and both wings do very well on those fuselages.

[grandeand]

Mixed comments on these two wings.
I have 683 and all good however if 695 is significantly better I would get one.
Anyone with an objective experienced opinion.
Thx

I've been thinking of these two wings a lot lately as well. For me the distinction isn't the wing so much but the other gear I own (or that one own's). I actually learned a lot from reading up on grigorib's comments.

I think the wings are "similar" (the 683 probably has a tad 10% better low-end and also seems to be a little faster from what I've experienced).

The big difference I think is that if you own the 590, the 695 is a perfect, epic wing to add as a lighter wind wing. To me those two are perfect, and easier to travel with.

If you own the 633, I'd get the 683 for a higher performing, higher wind wing.

These are both assuming you own either the kite or the surf fuselage, but not both. But if you own both, then you've got money to burn, so get both! If not, I'd get the wing that fits the fuselage you already own.

Owning both, I change all the time on which is my favorite and I could ride either one in the same conditions. But I find the 683 to be better if I want to ride fast. Otherwise, I find them fairly similar.

But the 683 was designed for the surf fuselage (which fits the 633), and the 695 for the kite fuselage (which fits the 590), and both wings do very well on those fuselages.

hello, I also have the 683 and I think it is a fantastic wing ... but compared to the 590 it has less top speed and less upwind angle .. do you confirm?

[grigorib]

683s is certainly slower on cruising speed and top speed compared to 590. Yet you still can go 25 MPH on “slow” wing and it feels pretty good.

I’d say the disadvantage of 683s is having to use surf fuselage - unnecessarily bulky and heavy. In 2020 terms the “surf” wings are 790/873/1010 - which are not very useful with a kite. Smaller wings should go onto kite fuselage which is slim, elegant and light.

I hope 2021 will bring a 679 mountable on kite fuselage. That’d be sweet. Or 695 with swept back leading edge to help riding in seaweed-infested waters

[joekitetime]

hello, I also have the 683 and I think it is a fantastic wing ... but compared to the 590 it has less top speed and less upwind angle .. do you confirm?

What Grigorib said. And, my experience is that that wings are quite a bit different. The 683 is the cousin to the 633 I'd say, a little faster. But the 590 (aside from its need to be on the kite fuse, not surf fuse) is way faster, way more playful. I like the bigger wings when the wind is lighter or fluky. I like to ride the 590 powered.

I really like both the wings, and yes, I confirm your observation...

[gmb13]

[grigorib]

Gunnar, I believe 695 is supposed to be 770 sq.cm, not 650

[TomW]

683s is certainly slower on cruising speed and top speed compared to 590. Yet you still can go 25 MPH on “slow” wing and it feels pretty good.

I’d say the disadvantage of 683s is having to use surf fuselage - unnecessarily bulky and heavy. In 2020 terms the “surf” wings are 790/873/1010 - which are not very useful with a kite. Smaller wings should go onto kite fuselage which is slim, elegant and light.

I hope 2021 will bring a 679 mountable on kite fuselage. That’d be sweet. Or 695 with swept back leading edge to help riding in seaweed-infested waters

This is why I've given up on moses for now.
I'm using gong pro m for now which sheds sea grass better. Faster than 633. But its heavy. That's ok on my home spots, but I have a favorite travel destination that requires a 200m walk at low tide. It will be difficult with gong.
Waiting for Slingshot phantasm series, looking Ketos wave xl.

[gmb13]

Gunnar, I believe 695 is supposed to be 770 sq.cm, not 650

Thanks for catching that.

--
Gunnar