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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby drsurf » Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:22 pm

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Hi all,

Sorry to hijack this thread, but I'm looking for a depowerable foil kite for my Dad to use in light winds on a buggy. He's a competent beginner/ low intermediate kiter, but needs a kite that will be forgiving and inspire confidence (that's why I've ruled out other more "high-performance" lifty kites). He will be using the kite only on a buggy in relatively smooth winds at a large beach.

I'm thinking that either a single skin kite like the Flysurfer Peak 4 11m vs the Ozone Access V7 12m

I'm aware that the single skin Flysurfer Peak will fly in lower winds due to it's light weight and single skin.... I'm mostly looking to understand the differences in how the Flysurfer Peak 4 11m will perform compared to the Ozone Access 12m for buggying in 6knots+? How will their wind range compare? Any major performance differences?

Any info would be appreciated.
Hi dave1986.

Other people will make more relevant commentary on how the Peak4 works on a buggy, but in terms of your Dads experience and the qualities your desire in a kite, I'd say the Peak4 would be an ideal kite for him. It's not too "lifty" and the instant depower and easy flying characteristics of the Peak4 should make it easy for your Dad to get the most out of light wind.

I don't think the Peak4 is as comparable to the Ozone Access, which is a twin skin foil, as it is to the Ozone Explore which is a single skin kite like the Peak4. I think the Access may not perform as well in very light wind due to it's greater weight, and being twin skin carries a volume of air with it as it flies. (I haven't flown one so it's opinion only)
It's also not as likely to depower like the Peak4 as well.

A more accurate comparison would be the Explore which I also haven't flown. However I do have a kitefoiling friend who is connected to the Ozone brand. I gave him a go of my Peak4 kite and it blew his mind. Thinking all single skin kites must be similar, he purchased an Ozone Explore and took it out foiling... just once or twice I think. Soon thereafter he asked my how much a Peak4 costs, and bought one from me. It's been his most used kite :D
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomi3000 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:58 pm

What bar width and lines length do you use with 3m and 4m P4?

I have 5m and use it with 49cm bar on 22m lines and love it. I am already planning on getting smaller sizes later on but not sure about the bar size.

Sorry if this has been already discussed previously

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:00 am

tomi3000 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:58 pm
What bar width and lines length do you use with 3m and 4m P4?

I have 5m and use it with 49cm bar on 22m lines and love it. I am already planning on getting smaller sizes later on but not sure about the bar size.

Sorry if this has been already discussed previously

I use std bar lengths 52 to 55 cm for the 3 and 4 m2, and 20 to 22 m lines.

And the same for the 5 m2.

The 8 m2 needs longer lines to work properly IMO, and bar should be long also.

One could use a shorter bar for the 3 and 4 m2 yes, but I like to have bars that can be interchanged between all sizes.

8) Peter

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby tomi3000 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:14 am

Peter_Frank wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:00 am
tomi3000 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:58 pm
What bar width and lines length do you use with 3m and 4m P4?

I have 5m and use it with 49cm bar on 22m lines and love it. I am already planning on getting smaller sizes later on but not sure about the bar size.

Sorry if this has been already discussed previously

I use std bar lengths 52 to 55 cm for the 3 and 4 m2, and 20 to 22 m lines.

And the same for the 5 m2.

The 8 m2 needs longer lines to work properly IMO, and bar should be long also.

One could use a shorter bar for the 3 and 4 m2 yes, but I like to have bars that can be interchanged between all sizes.

8) Peter
I fly 5m P4 one handed most of the time and only using both hands for looping or when transitioning. With 5m P4 I never find myself short of bar length and having to pull the floater to finish a loop so I though maybe 47cm or super short 38 cm bar with 17m or 19m lines could be used instead standard 50 cm size with 20m + lines for 3m. I was looking at kite attitude bars and I wish they would offer a bar with no depower trim as it is not really needed for P4.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby Peter_Frank » Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:49 am

I agree a 45-47 cm bar would work fine for the 3 and 4 m2.
But I like a normal bar for the 5, as used to this on all my small kites, turning even faster than the P4.

8) Peter

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby ice » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:50 am

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Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:54 am
Hi ieism :). Thanks for the comprehensive reply. My kite is peak 8m. I have looked at the whole kite and everything looks fine. I live near Hilversum and I'd love to meet you to compare these kites :thumb:
Did you fix your issue of the wing tip collapsing?

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby andrzej351 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:07 am

ice wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:50 am
andrzej351 wrote:
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:54 am
Hi ieism :). Thanks for the comprehensive reply. My kite is peak 8m. I have looked at the whole kite and everything looks fine. I live near Hilversum and I'd love to meet you to compare these kites :thumb:
Did you fix your issue of the wing tip collapsing?

Unfortunately not. Despite all attempts at regulation, it did not help. I made the Safety-B line a bit longer and the kite works fine in light winds. However, in the wind of 14-16 kts the tip folds and turns. Today I am sending the kite to Flysurfer Germany.

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:16 pm

So, who want's to read more about how great this kite is? Wow, all of you? Me too.

The past week has been pretty amazing. 7 sessions in 5 days. All of them top shelf.

Remember when you would find yourself marginally on the wrong size, but it was just way too much hassle to even consider going in, pumping another kite, walking the lines, potentially putting away the other kite and 15 minutes later getting back to kiteboarding? Well those days are gone.

The effective range on these kites for freeride Foiling is simply massive. From reading here you might get the impression that they have a small range and even smaller sweet spot. Not the case. The 5m and 4m are effectively a full quiver for me. I have a 3.5m kite that I hope to some day pull out and be disappointed with so I can justify a 3m peak. Certainly have no want for an 8m on water. It's already dead flat and rather boring at the low end of the 5. Rather hone my light wind technique that get a bigger slower kite.

In the event you do find yourself out on a peak and the wind edges toward the margins of its range. CHANGE KITES! Took all of 2 min off the water to roll up the 5 and pop up the 4. Just by default, your kites and lines will never sit flapping in the sun wasting away their lifespan.

But that is just fluff. One of the many "fringe" benefits that just improves the experience. Makes it safer, and more convenient.

No that is not what this post it about. THIS post is about the absolute revelation that the PEAK has facilitated.

I can report, that the Holy Grail is real. Will only minimal drilling of kite packing and handling, any strong swimmer can drift launch these kites reliably. I say again. RELIABLE SWIMMING DEEP WATER DRIFT LAUNCH is real.

What's crazy, is its way easier than my experiences doing the same with LEI kites. I've been working at this for literally a decade. Back in the day in 20 knots with an 11m torch and wake set up swimming out on a wing and prayer....... roughly 60% success rate with some harrowing moments in that 40% of failures. Enough to put a little respect in you!

Fast forward to foiling and strutless and single strut kites and the success rate goes up to nearly 90%, wellllll maybe 85% where the failures are generally far less scary, but just as much pain in the ass with lots of swimming, and untangling and restarting. Had it to the stage that if it was a solid 14 knots from the wrong direction, I'd swim a tube out and drift. Had me feeling like my guerrilla kite skills were not half bad. PFFFFFFt. The Peaks make that look like dayglo neon ninja clothing.

No man, the Peak is the answer to all who want the freedom to kite wherever and nearly whenever they want.

The swimming is the hardest part! No longer with a big kite flopping around, no longer dragging lines over rocky branch infested shorelines. Don't even need a kite size gap in the vegetation to get to the water!

No, the Peak has allowed me to leapfrog even the windsurfers for access and exit points.

Once you wet launch this kite a few times, you see how much safer and easier it is. The kite is IN the water, not on it. It wont flip, take off early, or even change its orientation to the wind. It just drifts! Smooth and predictably downwind at a pace that allows for calm and cool unwinding of lines, attaching of quick release and preparing to tension those front lines and get the kite up. Rush nothing and you will only have to do it once!

Everywhere is a now a kite spot. Whether its hiking into a secret wave spot for a sniper session in lockdown, or simply hopping off your buddies boat, there is no pump, no crazy recruiting of innocent bystander to help you boat launch..... no rigamerole at all. Simply hop in foil and kite in hand and swim a safe distance away. Then launch and cruise around on a magic carpet like it ain't no thang!

P.S. Once you grasp that wet launching is not only possible, but totally feasible, you get the idea that wet exit is also no big thang. and you can quickly and easily get yourself safely back ashore almost anywhere.

P.P.S. Single skin ultra light kites dry incredibly fast. Fly it somewhere for 3 minutes, but if you must, a 5m can be hung in the space of an office cubicle.

Headed out on vacation for a week. Same trip I've done many many times. Have kited consistently at three different spots along our usual route. Now almost everywhere has potential. You know, driving along, you see stretch of water with wind and think "I wonder if you could kite there?"

Well, get a Peak cause the answer is always yes!

Adventure awaits.

Peace.
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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby andrzej351 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:20 pm

:jump: Wow! A very interesting observation. Record a movie as you take off your peak :naughty:

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Re: Flysurfer Peak 4

Postby jumptheshark » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:13 pm

Nah man, that's just not me.

If you have a hard time believing it, you're more than welcome to come film it yourself.

Hope your kite gets sorted.


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