The best kite is no kite at all. That is a progression I've been on for about 3-4 years now. Not that it is better or worse, just my progression. As I've gotten better winging, I started flying smaller and smaller wings until my current 2.8m with larger foils. On foil, I'm relaxed with a very light grip on the wing, barely using a couple fingers to hold it. I use the wing to get back upwind, to get on foil, and when the river swell fades and I need a boost of power to stay on foil. Foiling with the wing providing the power is fun, but not as fun as gliding with the wing relaxed or in the nuetral position. But, another aspect that seems like it could be fun is super high speeds with a huge wing and race foil, but I haven't messed with that yet. But I will say the flying a small wing rather than a large wing, when you can, is much more pleasant. It is lighter, less fatigue on the arms and easier to manuever. The point of this is possibly to shed some light on the fact that yes, the best wing is no wing. But as you've seen in so many videos, getting up on foil is a challenge without some help (5 buddies on the beach with a rope, buddy on a bike with a rope, long bungee, boat to tow you onto foil, etc). The fact is that us mortals need assistance to get on foil. My biggest complaint kite foiling was once on foil I couldn't set the kite down (realistically) or turn it off. I felt overpowered far too often. I love being able to shut the wing off and put it down. I don't mind when I'm holding the wing, but I prefer not to be.tkaraszewski wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:55 pmI started with the same attitude that jumptheshark has. But I tried wingfoiling during lockdown when all of the kite launches were closed, but one windsurf launch was still open. After some initial frustration, it's been much more fun once I've gotten the hang of it. It has its pluses and minuses compared to kitefoiling. What I do not understand is slowboat's point of view, which is essentially the same as the view of everyone who's gone to smaller and smaller kites with as little pull and as much drift as possible. "Foiling without being pulled". Yeah, the wing can be "foiling without being pulled", but you're either being pulled or you're being pushed and I don't see why some people think being pushed is so much better. I grew up surfing and have been sailing for many years, and they're different, sure, but riding the power of the ocean (which, to be clear, is all wind-generated anyway) versus riding the power of the sky (wind power directly) doesn't strike me as one being particularly "better" than the other. They're both pretty amazing, but a lot of people on here seem to want "pure" wave power. Which makes me wonder why they bothered to get a kite (or wing) at all. A plain old surfboard is cheaper and simpler.slowboat wrote: ↑Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:02 pmLet me first say that no one should be upset by your questions or scepticism, I certainly am not. To answer your question specifically, what that clips shows is someone foiling without being pulled. Yup, that is it. That is the key idea that appeals to me about winging. There are people who say so what? To them, I say there is nothing here for you, move on. But to me (and many others), the beauty of foiling without being pulled is that it means you can ride a wave with a foil without being pulled= true foil surfing. At this point, people will interject with how well their kite drifts......yada, yada, yada. Again, if you are happy foiling in waves with your kite, have fun.....there is nothing here for you.
As far as winging being a passing fad, I think you are wrong but time will tell.
Not meaning to be critical, I just have never understood why so many people on a kite forum seem to the think the ideal kite would be no kite at all.
So the progression is addicting. This past weekend I was lit on my 2.8m and wished I had a 1.9 (2.8 is FONEs smallest wing) but I did want smaller. It was windy.
I think the buzz is from foiling unencumbered. I think that is part of the addiction.
Anyway, hope that helps.