They're gonna ditch PentaTX when Aluula is available everywhere. I give it 3-4 years.Exal wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:41 pmWould probably piss some people off who liked the normal neo and don't want to spend more for that new stuff. Will also give duotone the chance to finetune the SLS and ditch the old materials later on when everyone is a bit familiar with it.apollo4000 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:24 pm6m Neo price compare
£1,189 SLS
£1,029 standard
....not sure why running two products if not just for positioning to counter Ocean Rodeo.
apollo4000 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:24 pm6m Neo price compare
£1,189 SLS
£1,029 standard
....not sure why running two products if not just for positioning to counter Ocean Rodeo.
I was wondering that too but they say in those videos half a kg weight reduction. The neo also has 3 settings now on the wingtip pretty sure my 2018 only had 2. If the kite really got faster with better direct feel and even better with drift then this will be a weapon. Only reason my friends on reos don't like the neo is because the Reo is lighter feel and faster/more direct. I'll never need one probably because my wave riding stops at little/medium waves probably great for the maniacs that chase swell.Jose wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:43 pmapollo4000 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:24 pm6m Neo price compare
£1,189 SLS
£1,029 standard
....not sure why running two products if not just for positioning to counter Ocean Rodeo.
Why Duotone not show weight sls neo 2021 to compare with neo 2021, the wind range is the same..... not special....
Spot on!BrinM wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:27 pmDyneema woven with polyester would be a challenge for a lightweight technical fabric
Polyester and UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene...what a mouthfu = Dyneema) are very different fibres with different properties....hard to make a stable performance fabric I would guess its unlikely that such a mixture would make it to market...
but ya never know......
It is a lighter Dacron, yet different.Faxie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:08 pm...
I still cannot find anything about what material it actually is. Looking at the specs and price, my guess is still that it's lighter Dacron (so polyester) with a double ripstop dyneema thread and maybe a new coating. Makes me wonder about the puncture and abrasion resistance, and also the strength of the seams...
Same material, but lighter yet stronger?... I know coating is important, but it cannot make that much difference? It not like dacron isn't strong already... dacron uses high tenacity polyester too if I'm not mistaken? I wonder how they will hold up when the coating degrades.nixmatters wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:42 pmSpot on!BrinM wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:27 pmDyneema woven with polyester would be a challenge for a lightweight technical fabric
Polyester and UHMWPE (ultra high molecular weight polyethylene...what a mouthfu = Dyneema) are very different fibres with different properties....hard to make a stable performance fabric I would guess its unlikely that such a mixture would make it to market...
but ya never know......
I'd like to add what you spared us:
- UHMWPE yarns are very slippery, so even if very dense woven the weave won't be as stable as 100% HT Polyester
- poor adhesion properties make the coating and impregnation not very long lasting (Aluula is a different thing)
- the very different modulus and stretch of the 2 yarns would result in UHMWPE yarns (supposedly ripstop only) taking all the load, long before the polyester yarns do. Which will most likely result in lower tensile strength.
Nevertheless, such canopy ripstop fabric was developped few years ago, but never made it to market. Tear strength was ridiculously high, to the point where if a damage happens it's a very ugly one and much more difficult to repair. And bias elongation was not better than a conventional polyester ripstop.
It is a lighter Dacron, yet different.Faxie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:08 pm...
I still cannot find anything about what material it actually is. Looking at the specs and price, my guess is still that it's lighter Dacron (so polyester) with a double ripstop dyneema thread and maybe a new coating. Makes me wonder about the puncture and abrasion resistance, and also the strength of the seams...
Same type of polyester yarn, but different 'thickness'
Same weave pattern, but not so tight (therefore the 5x tear strength)
Different 'coating' type and process - actually similar to canopy coating - also contributing to the 5x tear strength.
The 5x tear strength I consider almost irrelevant and would put it at the bottom of the list with advantages over conventional dacron (for kite LE/struts). Too much marketing BS again.
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