climate change / unpredictable weather/wind

[SimonP]

Your narrative easily falls apart. What about the COVID death champion -- Belgium (856/100000)?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What about the socialist paradise -- Sweden -- where they also adopted yahoo approach to the problem and didn't close at all?

Belgium uses a different methodology, including suspected cases in their totals.
Sweden chose to go the no-lockdown route and are at 580 deaths/million, which rather proves my point that countries who heeded the scientific advice and locked down early and fast were able to control the spread of the virus.

[Mossy 757]

countries who heeded the scientific advice and locked down early and fast were able to control the spread of the virus.

Here's a meta-analysis that supports that point: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ecli ... X/fulltext

From the Discussion text near the end:

"These findings suggest that more restrictive public health practices may indeed be associated with less transmission and better outcomes."

[prop_joe]

imo this is the biggest problem climate change and most other current issue face, inabillity or lack of willing for honest discussion.

Pretty funny sentiment coming from a guy who posts shit like this in here.

By 'green jobs' did you mean young children? ... youtube it, it's f**king creepy! Maybe he'll bring back segregation to ... This is the guy the virtue signallers chose as theyre front man , this sh*t is too insane and funny to be real and yet it's happening. I really really hope he does a debate with Trump, will be hilarious i imagine.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You either are a reasonable human willing to listen and debate a point with civility or your a partisan hack willing to debase the argument with red herrings from the gutter. Sadly showing your cards as the latter pretty much counts you out of the first.

I don't really follow you... what's dishonest about what i said? It genuinely does boggle my mind that they chose Biden and i do happen to think a debate with Trump would be hilarious to watch... not sure why that makes me a partisan hack(if im honest i'm not entirely sure what one is so maybe i am although im pretty certain 'hacks' never a good thing ) I've obviously rubbed you up the wrong way cause you keep popping up with these comments but so far they've all been baseless, i'm fairly confident i've not said anything in this thread that i can't stand by so crack on and good luck

[prop_joe]

@Sharksky "Partisan Hack is a pejorative term describing a person who is part of the political party apparatus, but whose intentions are more aligned with victory than personal conviction". I think i get it now... you think i'm a Trump supporter!? I forget how polarised everyone has become... critising one automatically means you must support everything from the other... of course, how stupid of me . I prefer when you used to just rip the piss out of Toby, you were much better at that!

[Trent hink]

The American idea that there are two sides to every argument has become simply laughable.

Clearly the Republicans and Democrats agree on much more than they disagree.

Its just that the things they agree on never get brought up for any discussion.

Just for simple example, when was the last time you heard any serious discussion about this topic:

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-in ... y-america/

It effects every American who works for a living, yet somehow it gets brushed under the rug.

The reality is no politician cares about the people they supposably represent. America has the best government that money can buy.... And it does.

[TheJoe]

So I'm glad to see you guys settled the debate on Climate change and now are turning your efforts to the global pandemic.

[matth]

Your narrative easily falls apart. What about the COVID death champion -- Belgium (856/100000)?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What about the socialist paradise -- Sweden -- where they also adopted yahoo approach to the problem and didn't close at all?

Belgium uses a different methodology, including suspected cases in their totals.
Sweden chose to go the no-lockdown route and are at 580 deaths/million, which rather proves my point that countries who heeded the scientific advice and locked down early and fast were able to control the spread of the virus.

LOL....It must be nice to be on an isolated island with no borders in the middle of nowhere....Comparing NZ situation to the US, Brazil, or Europe is comical..

[Havre]

Your narrative easily falls apart. What about the COVID death champion -- Belgium (856/100000)?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
What about the socialist paradise -- Sweden -- where they also adopted yahoo approach to the problem and didn't close at all?

Belgium uses a different methodology, including suspected cases in their totals.
Sweden chose to go the no-lockdown route and are at 580 deaths/million, which rather proves my point that countries who heeded the scientific advice and locked down early and fast were able to control the spread of the virus.

That is not what you said though - you said "dysfunctional governments".

For all of Sweden's flaws in general the Swedish government is not a dysfunctional one compared to most other countries. And that goes for quite a few of the countries with high deaths per million (and you even say yourself counting is not the same across so how can one have much of an opinion of this at all at this point?).

[prop_joe]

Good to know Matteo V and prop_joe are the same person.

Did you not see that rail pic he posted some time ago... dude, i'm f**king offended! That's much worse than any of his political views!

[SimonP]

You're missing the point, which is:
There are only two world leaders who deny anthropogenic climate change, Trump and Bolsanaro.
They preside over the two countries worst affected by COVID-19, which is true regardless how you measure it. This is because they think they know more than the experts and ignore advice. Their first instinct is to play it down and deny the problem. Chaos ensues in the absence of evidence based policy.