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grigorib
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Postby grigorib » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:21 am
As much as I adore standard/single fuselage I’d hesitate to pick surf fuselage as a standard. Even for 633 it could have been shorter fuselage wing mount base and it would fit kite wing better.
Another thing is Slingshot hasn’t covered (yet) the need for 800-1000 sq.cm wings and while 657 is an upgrade to 590 - it’s still insufficient for heavier riders who feel that 633 is bulky and too large.
Hopefully Slingshot will yank some riders back and keep producing wings to get ahead of market leaders.
Pretty carbon!
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grigorib
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Postby grigorib » Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:44 am
Another item is that Slingshot consistently ignored demand for shorter carbon masts while folks riding waves/shallows appreciate masts in 70-80cm range. It’s a risk not to bring one out while competition offers variety already.
Hopefully later they can fill in this gap.
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Postby grigorib » Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:18 am
Last drop for today - am I the only one who ruined stabilizer pointed down wingtips like 483 has? One of the reasons I’m not even thinking of s400 is that I don’t want to be fixing it after couple runs into a bottom.
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Postby dave1986 » Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:51 pm
grigorib wrote: ↑Thu Oct 08, 2020 5:18 am
Last drop for today - am I the only one who ruined stabilizer pointed down wingtips like 483 has? One of the reasons I’m not even thinking of s400 is that I don’t want to be fixing it after couple runs into a bottom.
I also put a couple of chips in my Moses S483 stabilizer. The wingtips on the S483 are swept down which makes them more vulnerable to damage when grounding on the sea bed. However the Moses S400 wingtips are swept up so less likely to cause problems.
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Postby grigorib » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:12 pm
What I love about Phantasm that yet another quite independent and innovative player on carbon foils scene will create better competition we all need as riders.
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Postby oregonkiter » Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:17 pm
^^^
Some SS team rider windsurf foilers have been out on some very long Phantasm masts --at least 112--and interesting looking wings. I am guessing that there is a lot more to come, but that this first release is based more upon the ability to get a solid product out in these difficult times--KISS rule for now.
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Postby papasmerf » Sun Oct 11, 2020 11:00 pm
any word on whether moses and phantasm have anything interchangable?
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Postby grigorib » Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:59 am
^^^^^
There no way 400 stabilizer is 567 sq.cm
Even if it was rectangular 40x8.9=356
And it’s cm2 not 2cm because cm^2 not 2^cm
Who authored this?
Judging by font, drawings and bullet points it’s yet another Slingshot blunder/material whether graphics messed up again and nobody reviewed it or they got bad material to graphics who don’t know about cm2 thing themselves.
Yet thanks to Alex for sharing!
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Postby zloilyoha » Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:12 am
grigorib wrote: ↑Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:59 am
^^^^^
Who authored this?
this is official letter from Slingshot for my request
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