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IDAVIS
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Postby IDAVIS » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:09 pm
Hi
i am interested in the new SS Phantasm 633
its like the Moses 633??
Somebody can tested?
i want for carving and upwind
thansk
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Postby apos0 » Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:56 pm
Very similar to moses.
it feels faster and more agile, but keep in mind the rear wing its smaller than the moses.
Definitely soild construction but its a bit heavier.
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Postby grigorib » Tue Dec 29, 2020 5:01 pm
Probably the Phantasm doesn’t float on the side due to being 2 lbs heavier
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Postby student » Wed Dec 30, 2020 11:29 am
The new 12 K dual carbon core mast from the Phantasm line 2021 is much stiffer than the old Slingshot 633 (Ghostwhisper 91) which is the same as the Moses Onda.
Due to the stiffer mast there should be less torsion which I like. Waiting to fly the new Phantasm 633 when the ZA-government hopefully will open up the beaches mid january again...
Maybe it also works for wingfoiling.

Even if the length of the mast is quite long for wingfoiling.
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Postby IDAVIS » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:07 am
apos0 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 29, 2020 4:56 pm
Very similar to moses.
it feels faster and more agile, but keep in mind the rear wing its smaller than the moses.
Definitely soild construction but its a bit heavier.
And what it's the difference with a smaller back wing?
More/less speed? More/less lift?
Thanks
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Postby grigorib » Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:29 am
Usually smaller stabilizer feels “less lightwindish”, less pitch stable and slightly faster, yet these differences stand out in back-to-back comparison. Once riding you adapt and fly it he wing as usual.
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