Hey mate, I'm pretty sure you'll still need to wrap the print with few layers of laminate at least for surface finish and impact protection. If you don't laminate it, the wing will be only as strong as the glue that holds it together. Someone on Thingiverse posted a wing printed out of ABS with some steel bars fitted lengthwise for reinforcement but this must be heavy as.andremi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:27 pmHi,
I am following this thread with a great interests. Lots of great info, thank you! I just got into foiling myself (on slingshot hover glide nf2) and thinking that at some point I might end up printing a different foil that would fit into slingshot fuselage.
Did anyone consider 3d printing a foil with polycarbonate instead of PLA/PETG? This would no longer require laminating with carbon sheets. If you google for “Introducing Javelin’s 3D Printed Hydrofoil Project” you will find a report from 2017 where someone printed a polycarbonate foil, but I haven’t seen results of their tests.
I'm not sure what polycarbonate's shrink rate is after cooling? you might need to print it in an oven?andremi wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:21 amI have studied how to upgrade my Ender 3 to print polycarbonate, and this does not seem like too difficult of a task. Plus lots of success stories of others printing polycarbonate with, so I have good confidence that I can make it work.
True, the structural integrity is an issue: the Javelin hydrofoil was printed as one unit on a commercial grade 3d printer, but we cannot do that size print on a consumer grade printers.
I thought I would split the foil into 3 parts — just like most have done — but would insert round holes on one side and cylinders on the other side, as a part of the model. (or maybe make holes everywhere and print cylinders separately, might be easier as no need for printing with supports, etc). So when you connect the parts, the cylinders would go into the holes and this would align parts perfectly. With epoxy this should hold everything together. But completely unsure if this design is not going to cause a weak point on cylinders (or make the wing weaker) thus needing lamination and defeating the whole purpose of polycarbonate use.
Hi PrfctChaos,PrfctChaos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:10 amHi Robke,
I think the below freeride wing looks pretty good. 750 mm wingspan, 750 cm^2 area (It is just a touch larger than the theoretical minimum zone, but going down to 600-675 cm^2 only has a very small advantage). Recommended profile is the S2055. Make it in Polished aluminium would look awesome (would be a bit worried about damaging the thin trailing edge, but would definitely look awesome).
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Nice, a fast freeride wing is awesome fun, good choice.salvatoreone wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:53 amHi PrfctChaos,PrfctChaos wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:10 amHi Robke,
I think the below freeride wing looks pretty good. 750 mm wingspan, 750 cm^2 area (It is just a touch larger than the theoretical minimum zone, but going down to 600-675 cm^2 only has a very small advantage). Recommended profile is the S2055. Make it in Polished aluminium would look awesome (would be a bit worried about damaging the thin trailing edge, but would definitely look awesome).
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I'm really itching to make another wing and I've been searching through existing calculations for some inspiration as to what I actually want and that one above looks promising. All the parameters are essentially valid for my case but I was wondering what would change if we make the wingspan smaller (you mentioned 600-675 cm2 has some advantage)? I think smaller aspect ratio wing could be a bit easier to make, store and transport, also I'm not sure if I'm after a hardcore racing wing yet
Also in another reply, you mentioned calculations for a stab. Are you able to calculate the optimal stab parameters for the above wing?
Hi,salvatoreone wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:02 amHey mate, I'm pretty sure you'll still need to wrap the print with few layers of laminate at least for surface finish and impact protection. If you don't laminate it, the wing will be only as strong as the glue that holds it together. Someone on Thingiverse posted a wing printed out of ABS with some steel bars fitted lengthwise for reinforcement but this must be heavy as.andremi wrote: ↑Tue Jan 12, 2021 9:27 pmHi,
I am following this thread with a great interests. Lots of great info, thank you! I just got into foiling myself (on slingshot hover glide nf2) and thinking that at some point I might end up printing a different foil that would fit into slingshot fuselage.
Did anyone consider 3d printing a foil with polycarbonate instead of PLA/PETG? This would no longer require laminating with carbon sheets. If you google for “Introducing Javelin’s 3D Printed Hydrofoil Project” you will find a report from 2017 where someone printed a polycarbonate foil, but I haven’t seen results of their tests.
If you're considering making your own wing with help of 3D printer I strongly recommend looking into moulding described by PrfctChaos. 3D printing the mould is much easier than 3D printing the wing itself - for starters, you can print the mould from PLA because the mould strength isn't essential, it just needs to be stiff but doesn't really need any high strength. PLA is very rigid when printed with some reasonable infill and this is enough for good dimensional accuracy of the finished wing. Printing PLA is heaps easier than anything else I know and this is important especially with large prints like hydrofoil wings. I suffered from large warping at the base of my PETG prints which made gluing it together a nightmare. Also finding a glue that will actually stick to plastics like PETG is difficult, nothing holds reliably but I don't know about PC filaments.
I can imagine that printing with PC will pose some other challenges but the point is that you will make your life easier if you just make a mould of cheapest PLA instead of the printed wing of the high-end filament like PC.
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