PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:48 pm
You are joking about wanting to teach me something about kite and board handling....right ?
No, my offer is sincere. I have used that 3.0m HQ Apex, and a 7.5 before it, to teach a dozen intermediate/advanced riders and a handful of full on advanced riders. And the beginners that have 2 sessions on it, never have a problem with backstall, and get a really good feel for ideal sheeting. But the bottom line is that every single kiter I have taught backstall on this kite...... thier riding changed for the better because of it.
Given your misconceptions about foiled fins and their role in upwind, I am sure there is a bit missing from your flying skills. Now don't let that statement set your ego off! Because there is one thing that would prove it to be true, or make you the first exception to that general rule. And that is whether you agree with me on the following statement:
"A kiter learns very little from flying the good kites we've owned, but we learn the most from flying the bad kites we've owned."
Yes, the good kites do a great deal for our success in basic learning through advanced tricks. Buy the bad kites hone our kiteflying skills more so than good kites. And again, I am fairly sure you would agree with that statement given your foil kite experience.
PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:48 pm
I'd say that for 80% of those listed i built their own custom lines length with Q power lines....all tuned and flying great.
I used Q-power line for years. I love it for how you can knot it to make quick emergency pigtails with it. But I never liked it as flying lines. I have moved on to braids that are spliceable and have less tuning issues.
PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:48 pm
It was the kite type and board type plus rider ability and not the tiny wave fins that influenced going upwind
Fins do stabilize the tail... look behind you while going upwind you see clearly that the board is slipping sideways
The nose of board points where you think you are going but the truth is we all slip
Tiny wave fins are like little rudders
And back on topic.... on a quad you absolutely crab sideways as the load on the fins are not linked to the centerline of the board. But that's OK! The rail is your rudder, and the fins are your keel/centerboard. Load on the fins is essential to produce that upwind force.
On a thruster, the direction of travel is ridgedly linked to the centerline of the board. For a significant 50/50 center fin to load, you just need the tiny force incidentally produced by simply pointing the board somewhere other than where kite is pulling you.
Again, thrusters and quads give the best feedback from inputs vastly different from each other. That said, it is possible to ride a quad like a thruster, but your upwind will be severely hampered and your carving will be wobbly and slow. It is not possible to ride a thruster like a quad should be ridden for the highest performance. The thruster will just spin out and you will go nowhere.
PullStrings wrote: ↑Thu Aug 19, 2021 2:48 pm
You like my stats ?
Tell KF yours
Look, this going to sound likeal an insult, but it should be a wakeup call for you -
your stats are embarrassing if you have sailed for this long and still don't understand the basic principles at work. But don't let that hurt your ego, as there are lots of people who mull through life without really grasping the reality of the world around them.