I rarely put anything on top of my Orbits. If it's over 30kn, I'll chuck my board under it so a strap sits just behind the leading edge. Over 40kn and I'll put some sand on it with the board under it. There's no lifting; it slides backwards on the sand, depending on how grippy the sand is.RasmusP wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:15 pmHey guys, it's me again.. I could finally demo the Orbit a second time, sadly only the 12m again.
Loving the kite but I got one question, since my slingshot raptor has the following issue:
Is the middle of the leading edge staying put on the ground in strong winds?
With the Raptor, the middle of the leading edge is slightly pulled up by the pushed down struts (about 5cm), while the structure is "bent".
The kite is basically "hopping like on springs" and although it's only 5cm, you have to constantly keep an eye on the Raptor and have a board or sandbags on it.
You can't leave it for one second in more than 25 knots.
While all other Kites at the spot are staying put without any issues, the Raptor wants to bounce backwards...
So what's your experience with the Orbit? Is it staying put?
Ofc you need to secure the kite in 30+ knots. I'm only talking about "in comparison to the average kite".
Thanks in advance for your feedbacks!
Rebel/XR/Edge vs Orbit:lizards wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 amCan someone explain to me a bit about what makes the orbit different from other 5 strut boosting kites such as the edge, xr, or rebel? I am looking to replace an old 7m cabrinha velocity which is also a high aspect 5 strut boosting kite.
I keep reading about how the orbit is best suited to more experienced kiters. Other than the front stall tendency, all the kites I just mentioned work great for beginners. Is the orbits frontstall tendancy much greater than those kites?
Also the other 5 strut kites I mentioned are known to be slow but people talk about the orbit being a fast kite? What is different about its design that makes that the case?
Since I am replacing a 7m kite and all 7m kites are zippy and fast, I’m not sure I want a kite that is known for overflying easily. There are some pretty tempting deals out there on 2020 orbits which is why I’m considering it.
Have you tried this yourself?
Thanks man! Just ordered what's probably the last available green 10m '21 Orbit in Germany or even Europe.Blackened wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:31 amI rarely put anything on top of my Orbits. If it's over 30kn, I'll chuck my board under it so a strap sits just behind the leading edge. Over 40kn and I'll put some sand on it with the board under it. There's no lifting; it slides backwards on the sand, depending on how grippy the sand is.RasmusP wrote: ↑Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:15 pmHey guys, it's me again.. I could finally demo the Orbit a second time, sadly only the 12m again.
Loving the kite but I got one question, since my slingshot raptor has the following issue:
Is the middle of the leading edge staying put on the ground in strong winds?
With the Raptor, the middle of the leading edge is slightly pulled up by the pushed down struts (about 5cm), while the structure is "bent".
The kite is basically "hopping like on springs" and although it's only 5cm, you have to constantly keep an eye on the Raptor and have a board or sandbags on it.
You can't leave it for one second in more than 25 knots.
While all other Kites at the spot are staying put without any issues, the Raptor wants to bounce backwards...
So what's your experience with the Orbit? Is it staying put?
Ofc you need to secure the kite in 30+ knots. I'm only talking about "in comparison to the average kite".
Thanks in advance for your feedbacks!
I can answer that (though I'm not a kite designer either). More kite canopy area at the tips of the kite. The XR7 is the most pointy. Then the Rebel. The Orbit is least pointy.Blackened wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:11 amlizards wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 amCan someone explain to me a bit about what makes the orbit different from other 5 strut boosting kites such as the edge, xr, or rebel? I am looking to replace an old 7m cabrinha velocity which is also a high aspect 5 strut boosting kite.
I keep reading about how the orbit is best suited to more experienced kiters. Other than the front stall tendency, all the kites I just mentioned work great for beginners. Is the orbits frontstall tendancy much greater than those kites?
Also the other 5 strut kites I mentioned are known to be slow but people talk about the orbit being a fast kite? What is different about its design that makes that the case?
Since I am replacing a 7m kite and all 7m kites are zippy and fast, I’m not sure I want a kite that is known for overflying easily. There are some pretty tempting deals out there on 2020 orbits which is why I’m considering it.
What makes the Orbit fast?
No idea. I'm not a kite designer.
It would be cool to know what happens with the XR if you expand the tip. It turns into a GTS?nothing2seehere wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:43 pmI can answer that (though I'm not a kite designer either). More kite canopy area at the tips of the kite. The XR7 is the most pointy. Then the Rebel. The Orbit is least pointy.Blackened wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:11 amlizards wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:16 amCan someone explain to me a bit about what makes the orbit different from other 5 strut boosting kites such as the edge, xr, or rebel? I am looking to replace an old 7m cabrinha velocity which is also a high aspect 5 strut boosting kite.
I keep reading about how the orbit is best suited to more experienced kiters. Other than the front stall tendency, all the kites I just mentioned work great for beginners. Is the orbits frontstall tendancy much greater than those kites?
Also the other 5 strut kites I mentioned are known to be slow but people talk about the orbit being a fast kite? What is different about its design that makes that the case?
Since I am replacing a 7m kite and all 7m kites are zippy and fast, I’m not sure I want a kite that is known for overflying easily. There are some pretty tempting deals out there on 2020 orbits which is why I’m considering it.
What makes the Orbit fast?
No idea. I'm not a kite designer.
Its a simplified explanation but as a general rule, the turning area of the kite is the bottom third by the tips. More canopy area in the turning section = more turning force = quicker turning.
Probably rather a Duotone Evo or Cabrinha Switchblade. It's a lot more complex than just making the tips bigger but overall, yeah.. It would turn quicker!
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