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Lamilu
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Gear: Duotone Neo 8, Ozone Alfa v2 10, Surf Foil convertible, chronus 11, neo8, w695s399m92, w799s330, groove 125cm copy.
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby Lamilu » Wed Jan 19, 2022 1:35 pm

gmb13 wrote:
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:42 pm
Join me tonight for the Live Techtalk on the SABFoil W799, W899 and W999 Front wings.



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Gunnar
Please adress fully the kiting light wind potential of the w799 for big sailors…specially speed and lift.
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grigorib
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana; SPI; Hood River; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu Jan 20, 2022 3:22 am

To a question Gunnar answered: 679 and 683s are identical. See earlier discussion from beginning of 2020. Since 700-HS fuselage was release the surf wings are made with 8mm mount holes so that’s how newer wings will be different too

683 is completely different wing for discontinued windfoil fuselage

grigorib
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana; SPI; Hood River; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:54 pm

One item to add to Gunnar’s comparison of 633 vs 799 - 633 is probably the most arrowhead, swept back LE wing Moses made and that works amazingly well against seaweed (OBX problem). 799 will collect the seaweed and will lose efficiency and lift fast forcing you to stop and get the seaweed strains off the LE

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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby geron » Thu Jan 20, 2022 9:04 pm

Around where I kite, most of the weed is in the surface of the water and find that it gets coughs most of the time in the mast, so less of a problem in practice for me (regarding weed for wing shapes)

Lamilu
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby Lamilu » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:14 am

No weed for me…
My decision is made.
799 more stabe, faster, jumps bette, is jusr as easy…

Lamilu
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby Lamilu » Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:28 am

Also wandering...
It would cost Sabfoil nothing to offer 679, 633, 790 ot any other m6 wave wing in the hs m8 option

grigorib
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana; SPI; Hood River; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Sun Jan 23, 2022 12:11 pm

Lamilu wrote:
Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:28 am
Also wandering...
It would cost Sabfoil nothing to offer 679, 633, 790 ot any other m6 wave wing in the hs m8 option
SABfoil is not a company which listens for feedback and riders’ suggestions :)
How long have all been asking for 80cm mast and it took forever to make one. How much we’ve been asking to bring back the original 425 stabilizer - not happened. Instead they trolled everyone with some flat joke of enlarged 370. How long folks have been asking to move surf wing closer to the mast to reduce lever pulling mast insert out in the back - and used Stringy’s fuselage instead. Asked for years for larger wing fitting kite fuselage, so there no need to buy and travel with two fuselages - not happening. People ask for tiny <90cm pocket boards - none there.
I’m not bitching, just summarizing frustration from lack of acceptance of riders’ feedback.
But many companies are like that. Bigger ships are slow to steer.

Just drill the holes as Jimmy suggested

Also, initially 633 and 683s weren’t even meant for kiting and thanks to Gunnar first posting a positive review on 633 kite use and flagging off years of major kiting fun on that wing for hundreds if not thousands of happy riders. Yet practically the 683s/679/633 in kite wings capacity belong on kite fuselage and rarely wings over 1200 sq.cm are useful for kiting. It would make sense to make larger wings for kite fuselage and leave surf fuselage to wingers and SUPers. I don’t see that happening ever - winging is on rise and freeride kitefoiling will probably shrink.

Lamilu
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Style: Wave/foil
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby Lamilu » Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:52 am

Just recieved my first sabfoil 695/399/M92 set.
Will take some timeto test as covid cought me yesterday…bummer.
Nice carbon work… :thumb:
But…
The kite fuselage, after close examination, has room for improvement… :-?
Why so much “material” between mast conection and stablizer?
Why not include an zinc anode insert like Alpinefoils?
Just reprogram the stupid CNC machine…
As an engineer things like this, easy fixes, bother me when not adressed.

grigorib
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Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:19 pm

Lamilu wrote:
Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:52 am
Just recieved my first sabfoil 695/399/M92 set.
So for your other question about shimming - since you’ve got the 92cm mast your back foot big toe should be in front of mast plate rear bolts to ride it without shimming
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Re: Moses 2019-2020-2021-2022 SABfoil

Postby alowishus » Wed Jan 26, 2022 8:15 am

Saw in some post, somewhere, a photo I think of Balz riding some gear with a shiny fuse. Sorry, a vague memory or maybe a dream.. Titanium? Anyone know anything about this? Am I crazy?


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