The Hybrid from Flysurfer

[Okkiteboarder]

The hybrid is great at relaunching. I will be putting out a full review once the release date occurs. It is a great water relauncher, even after hitting your QR and regathering. I think the hybrid will bring in a number of foilers that simply wouldn’t use a single skin peak due to its low ability to water relaunch and also riders that just want piece of mind. If you gain that and not lose much of the Peak performance, I think it’s a win.

[bitxopalo]

.......The risk that hybrid will have also issues with relaunching in waves is obvious. I think all depends still on time frame, probably first 10-15 seconds crucial for success, if not than the same problems as with Peak ,because Double skin surface is relatively small.

In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.

I think the hybrid wont have this issue, so it must relaunch as well as a twinskin.

Concept'air has released recently the 3* generation of the firefly... I would be surprised if the hybrid would beat that one
https://www.lesfoilz.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5604

[grigorib]

I think if guys multiply number of ribs, both inside the closed cell section and behind it as well - kite shape would be more streamlined. If you look at Ozone XXLite, it’s as clean as any other wing and I used example of XXLite talking to Armin about funny wingtip shape of earlier Peaks.
Hybrid is an awesome concept, I hope it develops

[Peter_Frank]

Another Review

seems it is usual Peak5 6m, this is not hybrid in the video.

True, it is the current Peak5 and not the hybrid.

Peter

[PugetSoundKiter]

In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?

[lederhosen]

In my experience the main factor that avoid a peak4-5 to relaunch appears when there is water in the open leading edge ... Once LE is down, there is little succes ratio... Cos the water cannot pass from one cell to another one, and has no outlet.
So is very difficult to flip it.

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?

Maybe poking a hole in the center of the leading edge could help drain water to reverse start. But it’s probably better to sell the peaks to snowkiters since the season starts soon and get a hybrid instead.

[bitxopalo]

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?

No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives ... is better learn how to restart the kite




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[IWantToFly]

Hey FS, it’s October…

[grigorib]

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?

No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives ... is better learn how to restart the kite




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Peak water relaunch is for adventurous folks. I’m going to take my Flysurfer 2cool 6m to OBX and play with it in few weeks
viewtopic.php?p=1149342#p1149342

[drsurf]

Peaks have a drain hole on the lower outside of the left & right outer cells. Would a drain hole on the lower inside of the left & right outer cells help?

No, I feel it wont help.
you would have to make holes in ALL separations of the cells... To allow the water to go from one tip to another... So you can slowly flip the kite.

I thought about it, but I do not have the skills, so... Bad to resell the kite...

Until the hybrid arrives ... is better learn how to restart the kite



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Peak water relaunch is for adventurous folks. I’m going to take my Flysurfer 2cool 6m to OBX and play with it in few weeks
viewtopic.php?p=1149342#p1149342

The Peak water relaunch issue is not really an issue at all for most users in my experience. For the last 3 years I've been foiling with Peak 4 & 5 kites almost exclusively and have only had 3 or 4 pack up and swim episodes in that time. Since I've had the Peak5 kites I've had a 100% success rate relaunching. And the practice I've had for relaunching has come from the event and not standing in shallow water and practicing as I have advised

Most times I've dropped a Peak, once I got used to their characteristics which only took a couple of sessions, have been through complete inattention or distraction or gybing carelessly in under 8 knots. They are so easy to fly and keep in the air you almost forget you're flying a kite. And in light conditions it's easier to keep a Peak flying than virtually any other kite, so they're less likely to drop and require a swim than an LEI kite.
In case you thought this is just my extraordinary skill, other competent foilers using Peaks at my local beach have had also not had any problems with their Peaks which have dissuaded them from using a Peak most of the time. Grigor your sense of "adventure" is sadly lacking

Most of the time I'm using Peak5 kite sizes 2.5m, 4m, and 5m for my 67kg in winds from 8 to 30 knots. Water conditions are choppy and I do venture up to 1km off shore so I'm not just playing it safe mowing the lawn out & back 200m. However my advice to anyone is do not go out further than you're prepared to safely swim with any kite!

I'm really interested in the Hybrid as I sell Flysurfer kites and I've already received expressions of interest from my customers about the Hybrid. Like any kite, gaining a feature in one area can meaning losing some capability in another area. So I'm really looking forward to foiling with a Hybrid to see how it performs compared to the Peaks.