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Toby
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Postby Toby » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:43 am
Goes straight where you want it...and how many times straight to where you don’t want it ?
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Postby plummet » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:00 pm
It's like difference between driving a bus and a sports car.
If you want to dangle beneath your slow moving bus like Toby while you do aerial gymnastics then yes, bus turning is preferred.
If you are a kite flyer and want to interact dynamically between kite and terrain then the faster the kite flys the better.
Flying my 4m in 45knots in 5m swell is like taming an angry wasp while being chased by buffalo. It's fanfu kibngtastic.
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Postby JustAGirl » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:06 pm
I have to agree with Toby! Slow turning kites are definitely safer, but you can learn to loop them as well & then you got the best of both worlds. Even in the wave when it’s critical a slower turning kite can be looped in a fraction of a sec & put where it needs to be...
Only drawback is: a much longer learning curve; slow turning kites are powerful & you need to go slow learning to control them.
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Postby jumptheshark » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:03 pm
OMG, Stick to the pollitical and social bullshit your prone to.
How appropriate to the average kiteboarder is Toby's advice even? His style of kiteboarding, not simply big air, but his personal style, with 18m kite on 32m lines is exceptionally rare. He is full on into it, there are a few followers on here, and apparently the tourists at the beach think its the greatest show on earth, but he is the only one doing it to the dedicated degree that we all enjoy. Has anyone else on here ever even seen someone doing that in real life? Dude uses a completely eclectic set up to do completely eclectic stuff. He's one in a million. Makes perfect sense that he wants a big slow kite, but when was the last time he used what would be considered typical kiting gear? A decade ago? How appropriate is his advice to the average rider?
To your point. I'm not sure there is any polite way to say it, but you may well be a complete idiot. Slow kites in waves??? Your seriously going to say that? Wave kites are the fastest turning kites on the market. Why would that be?
Slow kites are slow.... they dont loop in a split second, they loop in slow big powerful loops or slow powerless pinwheel loops if you reach up and grab a leader. None of that is even close to appropriate for waves. The market has shown pretty clearly its not even appropriate for the average kiter in the average chop.
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Toby
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Postby Toby » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:12 pm
How many do a Darkslide?
Don’t forget my surface tricks...most of the time the kite loops...
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Postby jumptheshark » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:16 pm
How could I forget.
It's a pretty big slow loop so you have more than a "fraction of a second" for your darkslide.
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Postby JustAGirl » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:36 pm
Toby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:12 pm
How many do a Darkslide?
Don’t forget my surface tricks...most of the time the kite loops...
Toby, honestly, I don’t know why you allowed that barking bully back on the forum... he hates you & is just the biggest jerk on social media ... ban the bitch
All his points revolve around trashing you, Toby, or someone else he thinks is weak enough.
Bullies need to be shown authority. Do it! Ban him!
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Postby matth » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:37 pm
jumptheshark wrote: ↑Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:03 pm
OMG, Stick to the pollitical and social bullshit your prone to.
How appropriate to the average kiteboarder is Toby's advice even? His style of kiteboarding, not simply big air, but his personal style, with 18m kite on 32m lines is exceptionally rare. He is full on into it, there are a few followers on here, and apparently the tourists at the beach think its the greatest show on earth, but he is the only one doing it to the dedicated degree that we all enjoy. Has anyone else on here ever even seen someone doing that in real life? Dude uses a completely eclectic set up to do completely eclectic stuff. He's one in a million. Makes perfect sense that he wants a big slow kite, but when was the last time he used what would be considered typical kiting gear? A decade ago? How appropriate is his advice to the average rider?
To your point. I'm not sure there is any polite way to say it, but you may well be a complete idiot. Slow kites in waves??? Your seriously going to say that? Wave kites are the fastest turning kites on the market. Why would that be?
Slow kites are slow.... they dont loop in a split second, they loop in slow big powerful loops or slow powerless pinwheel loops if you reach up and grab a leader. None of that is even close to appropriate for waves. The market has shown pretty clearly its not even appropriate for the average kiter in the average chop.
Little harsh dude...no need for personal attacks.
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Postby or6 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:46 pm
Sorry, have to agree with jumptheshark here. I doubt justagirl has ever flown a wavekite.
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Toby
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Postby Toby » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:56 pm
He is an average kiter...he has no clue what it means to be on top and invent new tricks. And what gear it needs for it...
But let him talk, always amusing.
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