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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby TomW » Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:20 pm

cwood wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:27 pm
omg wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:30 pm
Thanks guys. I was just thinking about I would enjoy something with more pumping ability for staying on the very small swell - could be that I'm way too optimistic abt the limits of the wings. Also thought that by buying a bigger wing my low end of the Peak4 5m would improve. However, although I ride strapless with Moses T22 (109cm) board, I am now having second thoughts abt the front foot pressure needed to balance the wing, more so if your friend needed to shim it. Hmm...

One further question; I have the "old Fluente 91 or 93cm mast" ie. the curved one and not the current, the straight one, and front 633 and back wing is 483. And for some reason this combination very abruptly looses control, ie. spins. It typically happens when I'm riding upwind, even when not pressuring that much. What can affect to this? It's very annoying to ride with speed and then something just kinda pulls in a fraction of second the whole system under your feet and you crash down.
Dude.....I had the original curved mast Silente......learned on it, then moved on to 101 and other wings....broke a mast and had to dig out the Silente while I waited for warranty replacement. The thing was almost unridable....as a more competent foiler, any load of any magnitude had that nasty outcome. I think its the mast ventilating....I tried cleaning it up and could never make it any better....if I did anything other than lazy riding it would ventilate violently as soon as you pushed up wind with any moderate aggression. Not sure if its the curve or what but I sold it....not viable even as a backup for my riding. I'd rather be on a vibrating g10 and aluminum rig than that thing.
Interesting, I'm still riding my 2016 fluente mast(93). I've also found it difficult to press windward with 633 wing. Often wondered if it was the mast. Then I bought a Gong mpro M with straight aluminum 90 cm mast and it doesn't have this behaviour.

I was thinking of getting a new mast, but the whole Gong setup is 1/2 price of just the new moses mast...so gave it a try. Now I'm only riding the Gong. I can press it hard windward. It's faster, more agile, and has basically same low end.
Yea, I could of bought a new moses mast, and the 679 wing, but it is 1100€ VS 450€...

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Kiterisland » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:20 am

A quick question for you experienced moses guys. I bought my first foil, it’s a slingshot nf2 but with the H2 (gamma 68) front wing. I was told that it would be similar to the 633 Moses front wing which I’ve read much about. Is that true? And is the h2 a descent wing for kiting low wind? Thanks

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:45 am

Kiterisland wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:20 am
A quick question for you experienced moses guys. I bought my first foil, it’s a slingshot nf2 but with the H2 (gamma 68) front wing. I was told that it would be similar to the 633 Moses front wing which I’ve read much about. Is that true? And is the h2 a descent wing for kiting low wind? Thanks
H2 (aka Gamma 68) is 960 sq.cm and 633 is about 1250 so there’s significant area difference. A ~1000 sq.cm wing is sufficient for most of kitefoiling applications and can go fairly slow. However the 633 set would be lightwindier, surfier, smoother to ride and much lighter. H2 would be as lowend as 695 wing maybe but again, 695 will be so much lighter
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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Whattheflock » Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:02 am

I have the H4 and H2 wings with 28" (71cm) mast with my dwarfcraft 4'6" board and looking for some insight in my future foil setup. I don't really know what I want just yet. I weigh 70kg's and love the H4 for lightwind but would like a bit more speed. Is the 633 a little quicker? It'd be nice to have a lighter "H4" and maybe another smaller speedier wing later on for when the wind picks up and start some jumping?

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:06 am

Whattheflock wrote:
Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:02 am
I have the H4 and H2 wings with 28" (71cm) mast with my dwarfcraft 4'6" board and looking for some insight in my future foil setup. I don't really know what I want just yet. I weigh 70kg's and love the H4 for lightwind but would like a bit more speed. Is the 633 a little quicker? It'd be nice to have a lighter "H4" and maybe another smaller speedier wing later on for when the wind picks up and start some jumping?
When I rode H4 and 633 side by side it felt much smoother to ride the 633. Tony Logosz did a great job designing the 633 and 683s (currently 679) is in my opinion even better wing. Goes faster at its average, cruising speed being 20% thinner and 20% smaller area. I suggest you find the 683s or 679 wing which at your 70 kg would just rock.

You can reuse you aluminum mast for 633 with an adapter and there’ll be plenty of beginners looking for H4/H2 setup to learn on, so your upgrades don’t cost a fortune. You can get 633/693s wing with fuselage and stabilizer for $850-$950 and you will enjoy the upgrade royally
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