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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby grigorib » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:13 pm

I think shimming existing stabilizer down helps with earlier takeoff

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby geron » Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:14 pm

Joe, I have found that the 483 stab (compared to a smaller race stab like the 421) does improve my lowest wind capabilities with a kite to start foiling. I think it has to do with the surface area that contributes (giving more counter pressure) at the begining (at very slow speed) before there is enough flow in the wings. Also, I think that there is flow in this thicker wing at a lower speed.
But this is kite foiling (which is a very different dynamic than starting with a wing thing)

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby joekitetime » Wed Oct 14, 2020 5:35 pm

geron wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 4:14 pm
Joe, I have found that the 483 stab (compared to a smaller race stab like the 421) does improve my lowest wind capabilities with a kite to start foiling. I think it has to do with the surface area that contributes (giving more counter pressure) at the begining (at very slow speed) before there is enough flow in the wings. Also, I think that there is flow in this thicker wing at a lower speed.
But this is kite foiling (which is a very different dynamic than starting with a wing thing)
I'm sure you are correct. I have never been in conditions so light that it makes a difference to where I need to swap stabs. I also found that the smaller the stab, the less drag. So, there becomes an inverse relationship. That same larger stab needed to get on foil with a kite provides added drag and limits top end speed. So, by gaining one attribute you give up on another.

I started flying in 6-8 mps winds with the peak4 kites. What I found is that the limiting factor is the kites ability to lift me up out of the water. If I can get enough force generated to come out of the water, then whatever foil I'm riding that day has the needed lift to get on foil. So, whether I use a small stab or bigger one does not matter, I come on foil. But, if I choose a larger stab I feel much more drag in the water, which hurts a lot on light wind days.

So, I agree with you regarding the 483 adding more lift to get on foil, but if I need that much more lift to get on foil since the wind is that light, then I'll end up giving in up on the other end of trying to maintain speed.

In the end we are better off with either stab in the water than sitting on the beach reading these forums!

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby geron » Wed Oct 14, 2020 10:35 pm

Jaja. Joe, I agree with you on everything, including more time in the water and less in front of a screen.
But the catch is that this low wind hidrofoiling is more technical and at the same time, gives more time on the water per year.

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Michaelr123 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:03 am

I just took out my 800 wing for a really quick sunset sesh and had a blast! I thought I'd need to move it further back than my 590 because its a bigger wing, nope. I had the wing way too far back. next time I go out i'll put it at the same track spot as my 590, it might even end up a smidge further forward.

I was measuring 7-9mph when I was getting up on foil, this is way lower than the 590 which is more like 11-13mph. though it didn't feel like a surf foil, somehow it had more lift but in a tracky, fast sort of way. More like a 590, but just better lift. I only took it up to 21ish-mph as my front foot was super touchy at speed due to being at the wrong balance point. The wing was super maneuverable, maybe more so than the 590? I'll report back on that once I find the comfy balance point for this wing. I was on a new to me kite as well, so that just added to amount of stuff changing all at once.

All was perfect until I made my way in and clipped a small rock and put a nice ding on the tip of the wing :P they can't stay new forever right?

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Re: Moses 2019-2020

Postby Thijs77 » Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:18 am

joekitetime wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 3:07 pm
Thijs77 wrote:
Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:18 pm
Have you already tried w1000 with s400? Found it very difficult winging with this set to get enough speed to pop on foil.. but maybe my gong lemon 5’2 is too wide which gives too much drag.. Perhaps another stab like the s330?
Hmmm. For all intents and purposes I do not find the stab contributes to getting on foil, but rather affects the character of the ride.

I have found technique for getting on foil is huge when winging while being lightly powered to underpowered, not so much when powered to overpowered. So, I wouldn't look for a solution in another stab, but possibly technique or a bigger wing. I see you have the 3.5 and 6m swings. That is a big swing! I assume you were on your 6m?

I found the w1000 to be one of the earliest on foil of all foils I tried, so I'd consider another solution rather than different stab.
Yes, I used the 6m swing.. Somehow it feels like my 31" wide gong lemon gives too much drag. Once on foil I have no problem with the 1000 but getting there is a bit of an issue :lol:
Thought perhaps with a quick fix like a thicker stab it could go earlier with my 76 kgs but clearly not..
With the 1100 I get upon foil very easy, just one or two pumps and I'm off


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