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grigorib
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana; SPI; Hood River; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Sat May 14, 2022 5:03 pm

a99 wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 9:26 am
Sabfoil new w699 wing has strange tech data: oficially it is 880 cm2 wing but when looking to deeper tech data it is written as 850 cm2. How to understand it? Maybe someone already tried 699 and can say some review?
Moses has history of changing the numbers or having them a bit inaccurate and correcting that later. Ask them directly, hopefully they’ll fix it

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Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
Groove Skates 110cm 2022 editions
kraken mast systems 103k and 93k.
Kraken fuse 703k
Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/10mtr/9mtr/7mtr/ 5mtr Reedin v2
Duotone 2022 click bars x2,my own custom made lines fitted,
(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)
Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Foil » Sun May 15, 2022 7:25 am

a99 wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 9:26 am
Sabfoil new w699 wing has strange tech data: oficially it is 880 cm2 wing but when looking to deeper tech data it is written as 850 cm2. How to understand it? Maybe someone already tried 699 and can say some review?
Mark at Boardworx has sent my demo 699 one which will be with me on tuesday, but what rear wing is best i do wonder, nothing in the data to say which is recommended ????

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby dave1986 » Sun May 15, 2022 11:05 am

Foil wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 7:25 am
Mark at Boardworx has sent my demo 699 one which will be with me on tuesday, but what rear wing is best i do wonder, nothing in the data to say which is recommended ????
SABfoil sell the 699 with the 399 stabilizer.
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Foil
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Kiting since: 2000
Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
Groove Skates 110cm 2022 editions
kraken mast systems 103k and 93k.
Kraken fuse 703k
Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/10mtr/9mtr/7mtr/ 5mtr Reedin v2
Duotone 2022 click bars x2,my own custom made lines fitted,
(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)
Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
quick turnaround
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Foil » Tue May 17, 2022 7:38 am

dave1986 wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 11:05 am
Foil wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 7:25 am
Mark at Boardworx has sent my demo 699 one which will be with me on tuesday, but what rear wing is best i do wonder, nothing in the data to say which is recommended ????
SABfoil sell the 699 with the 399 stabilizer.
Screenshot_20220515-110345_Chrome.jpg

har! I missed that info, Mark at Boardworx asked Stacey on sunday at the Sab uk center, and he recommended the 399 stab with the 699 wing, so mark added that to the box with the 699.
its arriving today in a few hours, hope to use it today at Rossy, waves and wind are forecast, so direct back to back 699 v 633,
battle of the greatest SAB moses front wings :thumb:
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby a99 » Tue May 17, 2022 5:01 pm

Foil wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 7:38 am
dave1986 wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 11:05 am
Foil wrote:
Sun May 15, 2022 7:25 am
Mark at Boardworx has sent my demo 699 one which will be with me on tuesday, but what rear wing is best i do wonder, nothing in the data to say which is recommended ????
SABfoil sell the 699 with the 399 stabilizer.
Screenshot_20220515-110345_Chrome.jpg

har! I missed that info, Mark at Boardworx asked Stacey on sunday at the Sab uk center, and he recommended the 399 stab with the 699 wing, so mark added that to the box with the 699.
its arriving today in a few hours, hope to use it today at Rossy, waves and wind are forecast, so direct back to back 699 v 633,
battle of the greatest SAB moses front wings :thumb:
VERY Waiting your review 699 v 633, hope tomorrow read it:)

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Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
Groove Skates 110cm 2022 editions
kraken mast systems 103k and 93k.
Kraken fuse 703k
Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/10mtr/9mtr/7mtr/ 5mtr Reedin v2
Duotone 2022 click bars x2,my own custom made lines fitted,
(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)
Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
quick turnaround
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Foil » Tue May 17, 2022 10:07 pm

today the wind turned cross off shore all day, I am there for 3 more days and the forecast looks perfect,

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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Frankieboy » Thu May 19, 2022 5:44 pm

com'n foil, did the 699 cut your fingers ? :D :D :D

Foil
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Joined: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:44 pm
Kiting since: 2000
Weight: 91kg
Local Beach: New Brighton near Liverpool. Open sea with big low tide deep lagoon
and regular at Rhosneigr and Newbrough on Anglesey
Favorite Beaches: New Brighton, Rhosneigr, Fleetwood, Newbrough, Blackrock sands
lake Como (Italy) El Medano
Style: kite foiler since 2017 Ttip since 2000
Gear: My rule to gear choice is "IF IT DONT BOOST ITS NO USE"
Groove Skates 110cm 2022 editions
kraken mast systems 103k and 93k.
Kraken fuse 703k
Duotone SLS Evo's -- 11mtr/10mtr/9mtr/7mtr/ 5mtr Reedin v2
Duotone 2022 click bars x2,my own custom made lines fitted,
(modified lines now available for the flite99 shod duotone bars)
Bar lines made up to any length in a choice of strengths, power lines, trim lines, pigtails, leader lines, bridal lines, elasticated lines, I make and fit them all, free fit and tune service,
quick turnaround
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Foil » Thu May 19, 2022 6:15 pm

ok 2 days to and fro from the 633 to the 699,
the 699 is confusing me as I thought the 699 would be a similar ride as the 633,
Rhosneigr Nth Wales the conditions have been perfect for the last 2 days, 7mtr most of the time to a maximum 9mtr, big waves the first 7mtr day, well very big for me on a foil, twice my height with some bigger sets pushing through, but after hi tide the water sort of flattened off a bit, same today but smaller 5ft waves, the 699 reminded me very much of the 679 the old 682, the 399 rear wing made the 699 a bit too unstable for me, much more stable with the 483 on the rear, but still unstable compared to the 633, this took away my confidence to drop down the waves at speed, so it was a good thing I only went in the waves near the shoulders just in case, as i was fearful of crashing down the wave face,
speed comes on smoothly, but the front wing was singing its head off, easy to fix but it proves it not always the rear wing,
some have said this may be a good learning wing, i would have to say i would not agree, the 799 is more gentle and forgiving and much more stable with good progressive lift, the 699 has fierce lift and needs quick reactions to stop it jumping clear of the water, i think some guys will have a great time trying different rear wings to get nearer the feel they prefer, for me though I am keeping my 633 wings. fun and fast in all conditions, no mods needed apart from getting them mounted on the Kraken masts 103 for the open sea with waves and 93 for the flatter water, massive difference!!
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Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana; SPI; Hood River; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, Turbine 9/13m, SST 4/5m, UFO 3/5/7/9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Flysurfer 2cool 6m, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses/RDB 70/90/91/101/111cm masts with 1200/860/800/730/600 wings and 310/230/425 stabilizers, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 100, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Slingshot Turbine 9/13m, 20/23” Guardian/Sentinel bars, 70/90cm carbon masts, 1700 sq.cm wing/fuselage/stabilizer fitting Moses mast, Moses 590/330 wing/stabilizer with fuselage plus 1200 sq.cm lightwind wing
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby grigorib » Thu May 19, 2022 7:29 pm

699 looks like “even smaller than 679 if you insist riding surf fuselage”. 30% smaller than 633 and likely thinner it should be a faster wing for more powered rides. Something like 720 wing but lower aspect.
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Re: Moses SABfoil

Postby Frankieboy » Thu May 19, 2022 8:10 pm

Tx Foil !
How would you compare 633 and 799 for kiting?
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