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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby grigorib » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:44 pm

Please share weight of the wing when you have it. I hope it's lighter than new 633

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby airsurfer » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:24 pm

I agree with everything the OP said the 683 is a great all around kite wing. I've had many hours on 633 and 683 and while I didn't immediately love the 683 it's now my go to Moses wing.

I think 683 is just as easy possibly easier to jibe than 633 because it has more stable lift less side to side wobble lower drag and better glide so you have more time to switch. 683 can go slow but needs just a little more speed or power for takeoff the trade off is significantly lower drag and faster speed than 633 better upwind and speed/power handling. 683 carries speed for upwind maneuvers.

Surf ability is about the same as 633 neither is quite as good as a dedicated surf wing but 683 is a lot of fun in bigger faster surf. 683 isn't bothered much by whitewater. BTW mine floats on the side I like this for strapless waterstarts. It doesn't float as high as 633 I think it depends on your board and where your mast is mounted.

I usually use a meter more kite than with 633. I like the 633 better under 10 knots and small slow waves 683 for everything else

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby tkaraszewski » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:59 pm

grigorib wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:44 pm
Please share weight of the wing when you have it. I hope it's lighter than new 633
Will do.

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby Foil » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:29 pm

grigorib wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:09 pm
Can someone comment on weight of 683s?

I'm concerned I might end up with early, heavier version of the wing (just like earlier 633 weighed 200 grams more than current version)
Ok , good and bad news,
Good first. The 683 wing weighs in much less than the 633, mine delivered today is 665g,
My lighter 633 weighs in at 708g whilst my older 1st generation 633 weighs in at 764g.

Ok the bad news.
The Moses website is bonkers,
On one page where it shows all 3 Onda variants, the page showing Onda wings with different length masts,
It shows the 633 high lift wing and the 683/s wing, it clearly says below each picture that each wing is supplied with the MFS Fuselage, and the same rear stabilizer for all variants,
So all 3 bits were ordered together
They arrived today.
To my dismay the fuselage was clearly the wrong size for the 683 wing,
So I checked the website again and checked the box details of the Fuse and all was good,
But then after checking the web page for the 683 wing alone, then I discovered the fitment details were different,
under the picture of the 683 wing is a drop down section detailing a few facts that contradict the other pages of Onda information,
The Fuselage for the 683 wing has a completely different and specific fuselage, the 749.
The wing profile and hole spacings for the 683 are very different than the 633.

Dam! I was so looking forward to using the 683 this weekend
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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby Foil » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:00 pm

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby NYKiter » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:31 pm

Good to know for those with that fuse....
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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby handy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:38 pm

take care when ordering the 683!! there is 683S that fits the same fuselage as the 633, and there is a 683 (without S) this only fits the windsurf fuselage !!

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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby grigorib » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:36 pm

Foil wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:29 pm
grigorib wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 11:09 pm
Can someone comment on weight of 683s?

I'm concerned I might end up with early, heavier version of the wing (just like earlier 633 weighed 200 grams more than current version)
Ok , good and bad news,
Good first. The 683 wing weighs in much less than the 633, mine delivered today is 665g,
My lighter 633 weighs in at 708g whilst my older 1st generation 633 weighs in at 764g.

Ok the bad news.
The Moses website is bonkers,
On one page where it shows all 3 Onda variants, the page showing Onda wings with different length masts,
It shows the 633 high lift wing and the 683/s wing, it clearly says below each picture that each wing is supplied with the MFS Fuselage, and the same rear stabilizer for all variants,
So all 3 bits were ordered together
They arrived today.
To my dismay the fuselage was clearly the wrong size for the 683 wing,
So I checked the website again and checked the box details of the Fuse and all was good,
But then after checking the web page for the 683 wing alone, then I discovered the fitment details were different,
under the picture of the 683 wing is a drop down section detailing a few facts that contradict the other pages of Onda information,
The Fuselage for the 683 wing has a completely different and specific fuselage, the 749.
The wing profile and hole spacings for the 683 are very different than the 633.

Dam! I was so looking forward to using the 683 this weekend
have you got 683 or 683s? It's 683s which should be fitting 749 fuselage (same as for 633)
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Re: 633 vs. 683 what I found

Postby Foil » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:56 pm

handy wrote:
Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:38 pm
take care when ordering the 683!! there is 683S that fits the same fuselage as the 633, and there is a 683 (without S) this only fits the windsurf fuselage !!
I have been sent the 683,
problem identified correctly, I am missing the S,
hopefully after the email just sent It will be sorted out early next week.
thanks "handy"
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