Have you weighed the Aluula? Unless the demos are significantly heavier the 10m ones sent around for testing recently weighed 4.7 lbs first hand about 10% heavier than a cloud 10.4m. I'll believe the Aluula figures when someone weighs one under the weight of a cloud on a scale but until then cloud is still the lightest Lei on the market. I think Aluula has plenty of potential but still needs to be incorporated more radically in kite design for it to be justified vs much more affordable cloud purchases for me personally. I picked up a 6.2, 8.0, 10.4m set of cloud e with minimal use for the cost of a Aluula 10.4m. I've been thrilled with riding foil and also surfboard with the newest cloud model! The 6.2m is the best surf kite I've ever flown.Greenturtle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:20 pmWeigh posted there for aluula 10m is wrong-madworld wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:13 pmpikovsg wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 3:33 amI loved and always promoted the idea of less weight and more rigidity. Aluula hopefully is that kite, but for over 5-6 years we've already had a much lighter, cheaper and faster turning kite - the BRM Cloud.
10m Aluula - 5.1lbs
10m Cloud - 4.3lbs
A pound lighter. Based on review vids, a good bit faster turning and drifting too. Clouds are almost religiously loved by pretty much every non-race foiler out there, including myself. Yet mainstream reviews for Clouds barely exist, outside of this forum. I don't mean to bark on Aluula at all or turn the discussion to the Clouds. Quite the opposite - major hopes for OR and will be first in line to demo it. It just seems strange that how much hype is going to Aluula tech vs. something we've had for years that's proven to work.
Cloud kites are strut-less and have a small wind range, this Aluula kite has a tremendous wind range and three struts, a very different style of kite. The cloud kites size labeling is weird too.
Aluula 10m 1.9kg (4.2lbs)
Same weight as strutless cloud
Having owned kites with cuben fiber, their life span was just fine.kiteykitekite wrote: ↑Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:12 amInteresting podcast, more advertising though. The increase in range the new kite experiences is wrongly attributed to the material though that would improve the lowend but it's the thinner tube diameter that actually gives the better range. It's strange that kite designers can't grasp this. Especially given how long they have designed these primitive kites.
One concerning thing is that the quoted strength increase of the fabric at 20x seems quite excessive. Especially given the same pressures are used. That is unless there is something about the material that degrades quickly over time. You would need the excess to maintain the materials life longer. So it leads me to doubt the longevity statements about the fabric. If it had better longevity, as stated, then it would suffice to have the fabric be as strong as the replacement, which it is not.
We already know cuben fiber has a terrible life span, could this be similar?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralight/com ... ben_fiber/The trick is avoiding abrasion. Cuben is not good at taking abrasion. Some folks posted reviews of mountaineering sacks that were well beat up from scraping rocks after only one excursion.
Extra good luck Ay!it's bulky to pack, delaminates under repeated torsion and doesn't handle abrasion well.
The quote was 20x stronger in tear, that is not on the chart I showed above. Here you see tear.
Cuben fiber was quite successful in kites, the best nemesis HP family of kites performed quite well and did not have the issues of the infamous hellfish,sms-kite wrote: ↑Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:30 pmHello,
I design tube kite and foil kite since 2003.
I don't know if I am smart or a dude, but I can tell you why I am not running for this new fabric.
First because I don't know really well this fabric.
Second because the factory don't know this fabric
Third because today I know that a kite can ride many hours without trouble for the brands I am working with.
There is a lot of performant fabric in the market. For paraglider for boat sail... Ask a fabric top performance is easy. Built a kite, ask him to be ride at 40 degrés and - 20 degrés, ask him to support crash, rocks.... It is a little bit more complicated.
So we will see how it goes with this new fabric but to me it needs more than 2years of customer test... So révolution or cuben II, we will see in 2 years.
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