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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby dejavu » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:05 pm

Can kite here in Victoria Australia but any day now we may get the full lockdown. Not sure if kiting will pass for going for a walk type exercise.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby jonysan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:21 pm

When this is over. Kite like you stole it, carve like an Artist, boost like a bird, we get one chance. some even don't get that.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby plummet » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:49 am

jonysan wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:21 pm
When this is over. Kite like you stole it, carve like an Artist, boost like a bird, we get one chance. some even don't get that.
Oh yeah!

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby Thatspeck » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 am

plummet wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:33 pm
I have a left-field view on this virus and others.

I say let it run. The world has too many humans. We actually need virus's like this to cull down the population.

Currently 7.8 billion. We, humans, are a virus on the world. Slowly strangling the worlds resources with overpopulation.

Global warming, the decimation of rain forests and species. All because of too many humans,

No amount of recycling and non meat based diet will stop the fact that theres 7.8 billion mouths to feed. It's like putting a postage stamp on an axe wound.....

Of course no democratic government will allow this to happen as it would be political suicide. But its what the world needs.
Your view is not so "left field" at all, just realistic. This planet is not able to accomodate the current population in it's chosen lifestyle (i.e. if you change your lifestyle a little, there will be room for more). It will create "controls" to solve the problem, perfectly natural. The fact that the virus dujour targets a certain segment of the population is perfectly predictable. Is it fair to the 80% of the population to shut the whole world down to save this 20%? You're entitled to your opinion, as is Plummet

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby purdyd » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:20 am

Trent hink wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:29 pm
Trent hink wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:48 pm

Just for some perspective, estimated influenza deaths in Italy during the 2016/2017 season were nearly 25,000.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 1219303285
Sorry for quoting myself here, but the current death-toll in Italy is 8,215 (as of about 45 minutes ago).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... try/italy/

Italy is now on lockdown with tremendous resources being expended to fight the epidemic. Other countries, including the one i live in, are or will be following this same approach, with huge consequences regarding their economies and quality of life.

These extreme measures will undoubtedly save lives, but at what cost? Why was there no lockdown during the 2016-2017 flu season? What is really going on here that makes this thing any different?

I don't have any answers, this is just something I have been thinking about lately. I do tend to agree with Plummet, there are things that are worse than death.
Italy lost 8500 in a month, 100,000 per year at that rate.

Well at over 700 deaths per day now, 5000 per week, 260,000 per year at that rate, it could be drastic.

With an estimated 1% mortality rate, even though it is running 10% now, but I expect that will go down.

With 60 million people an estimate of 2/3 to be infected before herd immunity, that is 40 million with a rate of 1% that is 400,000 dead. That assumes the health system doesn’t collapse and the death rate goes up because Italy runS out of nurses, doctors, beds, medicine, ambulances, etc.

Italy as nation is very old. The virus is very hard on the old.

That is what is going on that makes this different than the normal flu season.

I agree there are things worse than death. I don’t know what is the right answer,

I assume that this will self regulate in that as the deaths increase, people and businesses on their own will isolate and close.

There seems to some evidence of that in the USA.

There also seems in general a certain threshold that needs to be crossed before a government acts. I think is just a reality of the situation,

Also population is predicted to peak at 11 billion somewhere around the start of the next century. Fertility declines as wealth increases.

https://www.gapminder.org/answers/how-d ... on-change/

I suppose it is conceivable that at some time in the future the world population could be in decline.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby Bille » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:15 am

mike dubs wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:25 pm
Plummet,

I wonder if you will still say the same when you are next to your wife’s, child’s, brothers, mums death bed because they reacted badly after catching Coronavirus from someone who was laissez fair about it.

Two things I’ve learned on my 56 yrs on this planet are ;
1, life has a funny habit of kicking you in the arse when you take it for granted!
2, Don’t tell the devil your thoughts!

So be careful what you wish for.
Mike
Sometimes i need to push those thoughts, out of my head , (cull the heard) ; but there
is another way : it's called, (planned parenthood) and it does work !
If the masses were educated ; the poor would decline.


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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby Pemba » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:42 am

Thatspeck wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:49 am
plummet wrote:
Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:33 pm
I have a left-field view on this virus and others.

I say let it run. The world has too many humans. We actually need virus's like this to cull down the population.

Currently 7.8 billion. We, humans, are a virus on the world. Slowly strangling the worlds resources with overpopulation.

Global warming, the decimation of rain forests and species. All because of too many humans,

No amount of recycling and non meat based diet will stop the fact that theres 7.8 billion mouths to feed. It's like putting a postage stamp on an axe wound.....

Of course no democratic government will allow this to happen as it would be political suicide. But its what the world needs.
Your view is not so "left field" at all, just realistic. This planet is not able to accomodate the current population in it's chosen lifestyle (i.e. if you change your lifestyle a little, there will be room for more). It will create "controls" to solve the problem, perfectly natural. The fact that the virus dujour targets a certain segment of the population is perfectly predictable. Is it fair to the 80% of the population to shut the whole world down to save this 20%? You're entitled to your opinion, as is Plummet

I would agree with Plummet as well, it's a rational point of view. Except as things are, not enough is known about the long term effects of getting it and recovering. Also we don't know whats going to happen when this thing hits refugee camps, countries already hit by wars, slums in African countries. The next step might be that we think, well, yes they're dying there (famine, Bosnia, Libya, Yemen etc) but hey, if we're a bit slow to respond, or don't respond at all, well, there's too many people anyway. That's taking things a few steps further off course but once "the world" starts passively accepting that people die because there's too many of them anyway then you might eventually get there. It would mean a world only for the strongest, not just individuals but also at a higher level (societies). In the long run Corona isn't going going to contribute in a significant negative way to global population growth anyway. Say 1 % of the worlds population growth dies, that would set the clock back a single year. I completely agree that we humans are the real virus on the world though.

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby nikalaitzian » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:08 am

Greece if fully lock down..

but we might find a way to go to the beach with an excuse of phisical exersice.But then the port police might catch you

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Re: Corona Virus - Has your country banned kitesurfing?

Postby a99 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:30 am

Maybe im suspicious, but anyway no exist other better way to disturb world order and do so that all countries will close (in democratic countries) borders, cut flights, people cannot go even outside and no any voice can protest (in democtratic countries) its only if spread of virus, even nuclear war will not impact so to close borders. So, let see what will be next...and if borders will reopen one day.

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