Contact   Imprint   Advertising   Guidelines

Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Forum for kitesurfers
UKSurf
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 502
Joined: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:09 pm
Local Beach: South Coast of UK
Gear: Liquid Force impulse Foil, Slingshot SST Wave
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 20 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby UKSurf » Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:40 am

Toby wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:18 pm
Not if you win.
The looser pays.

And this is a clear case
Assuming the counter party has the money to pay.

User avatar
palmbeacher
Medium Poster
Posts: 177
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:53 pm
Local Beach: Wijk aan Zee, Monnickendam
Favorite Beaches: Juno Kitebeach, Miami Beach, Blouberg, Mustique.
Style: Hydrofoil + big air
Gear: Cabrinha, MHL Lift
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 25 times
Been thanked: 14 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby palmbeacher » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:25 am

Toby wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:18 pm
Not if you win.
The looser pays.

And this is a clear case
Legal counsel would advise you to not publicly comment on your case. Getting the FBI involved for such a petty act will be a challenge, you’ll have to be able to not only prove real damage but also that the person you believe is behind this has actually done something. Remember the hacking of Podesta’s email? Good luck!

Exal
Frequent Poster
Posts: 423
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:38 am
Local Beach: Still looking
Favorite Beaches: WA & Cape Town
Style: Wave & Oldschool
Gear: all the gear and no idea
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 55 times
Been thanked: 94 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby Exal » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:40 am

Some people thrive on attention, looks like this is the case here too. Lawyers only do the bare minimum unless they make money (damages 12.5k+ in germany), judges often don't know what is what or try to get you to settle or decide something stupid and you have to take it further. You can never say a case is clear when in front of a judge, can go either way no matter what. I learned that the hard way. What is your plan for the next troll? You can't sue them all withtout losing your insurance/funds to fight with all of them.

grigorib
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2431
Joined: Mon Aug 01, 2016 8:12 pm
Kiting since: 2009
Local Beach: OBX; Clinton Lake, IL; Lake Michigan; La Ventana, SPI; Tawas, MI
Gear: Kites: Slingshot Rally 5/7/9/11m, SST 5m, Turbine 9m, Flysurfer Speed4 10m standard, Peter Lynn Venom II ARC 16m

Boards: Spleene RIP 37, Flysurfer Radical6 138, Flysurfer Flydoor5 XL, Slingshot/Moses 80/82/91/101/105cm masts with 637/420 695/425 590/330 679/450 wingsets, 36" Woody, Slingshot Dwarfcraft Micro 3'6" 2019-2020, MBS Comp 95x

For sale: Moses 590/647/330 $690, 80cm alu mast $260
.
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 195 times
Been thanked: 270 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby grigorib » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:02 pm

The forum is Toby’s baby and it’s for all to contribute and benefit from. It’s not a fighting/pissing/trolling match plaza. Somebody talk to the guy in person maybe. Make peace. Cheaper option.
Also when one’s physical location is known people tend to become a bit more practical face to face.

dave1986
Frequent Poster
Posts: 402
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 3:25 am
Gear: .
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 48 times
Been thanked: 50 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby dave1986 » Tue Jun 30, 2020 4:05 pm

Why has foilholio got an issue with kiteforum? What's his motivation for causing all these issues? Is it that he's got something specifically against Toby/kiteforum, or is it simply that he enjoys causing trouble?

User avatar
Toby
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 40832
Joined: Mon Sep 24, 2001 1:00 am
Kiting since: 2000
Weight: 98 kg
Local Beach: Cumbuco, Brazil
Barra do Cauipe, Brazil
Favorite Beaches: same
Style: Airstyle
Gear: Rebel 2015 18
Brand Affiliation: None.
Location: World (KF Admin)
Has thanked: 314 times
Been thanked: 570 times
Contact:

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby Toby » Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:09 pm

Maybe Pansh pays him or gives him an extra deal...for spamming forums.

His mission is also to fight big brands...he rather has several smaller brands.

Definitely a guy with mental issues, which shows all he does...

plummet
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 6594
Joined: Sat Aug 29, 2009 11:25 pm
Local Beach: EE
Favorite Beaches: NZ
Style: Terrain riding
Gear: Old wornout ozone.
Plummet hydrofoil and mutant
Brand Affiliation: None
Has thanked: 7 times
Been thanked: 142 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby plummet » Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:42 pm

Here's my 5 cents.

Trolls love to watch the world burn and they love the fight and attention. It is a game to them. The more fight the more attention the better, He will be fueled by this thread for example. He will absolutely be loving that there is another 5 pages dedicated to him,

Just silently delete his accounts and posts as they pop up. Do not make anymore fan fare about foilholio. Delete any and every post he has ever had on Kiteforum. Once you have received info you need on this thread delete it. Just keep removing data without online comment. Don't ever mention his name again. Just delete as required.

If you remove the attention and fight from the scenario then he will fade away in time. What is the point of attack if he is receiving no gratification?


In the back ground go about finding who he is and contact details. Then contact him and ask him to desist. Once you know who he is and confront him he will probably stop immediately.

I agree with others. Litigation should be the absolute last resort. The likely hood that you come out cash positive is pretty much zero and the opportunity cost to you will be huge. The legal battle will consume your time and money literally for years. That is time and money you can use to promote/improve your business.

Right now you need to concentrate on stay in business activities. Just silently delete, delete, delete and try to give him as little thought as you can. The more he consumes your time the more he wins.

The biggest help we as forum members can do is inform you via pm if we see his activity and not interact with that activity should it occur. It takes 2 to have an argument.
These users thanked the author plummet for the post (total 10):
Leon van Bergen (Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:45 pm) • Toby (Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:46 pm) • FLandOBX (Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:59 pm) • jjm (Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:30 pm) • loco4viento (Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:37 pm) • CaptainCore (Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:05 pm) • Janus (Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:14 pm) • Hugh2 (Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:36 pm) • iriejohn (Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:48 am) • magnusod (Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:42 am)
Rating: 83.33%

User avatar
CaptainCore
Frequent Poster
Posts: 201
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2017 12:32 pm
Local Beach: Seabrook Kent
Favorite Beaches: Nyali - Kenya
Style: Old School
Gear: Core Nexus. Fusion 4, Moses
Brand Affiliation: Gods own Core.
Has thanked: 8 times
Been thanked: 14 times
Contact:

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby CaptainCore » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:09 pm

plummet wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 6:42 pm
Here's my 5 cents.

Trolls love to watch the world burn and they love the fight and attention. It is a game to them. The more fight the more attention the better, He will be fueled by this thread for example. He will absolutely be loving that there is another 5 pages dedicated to him,

Just silently delete his accounts and posts as they pop up. Do not make anymore fan fare about foilholio. Delete any and every post he has ever had on Kiteforum. Once you have received info you need on this thread delete it. Just keep removing data without online comment. Don't ever mention his name again. Just delete as required.

If you remove the attention and fight from the scenario then he will fade away in time. What is the point of attack if he is receiving no gratification?


In the back ground go about finding who he is and contact details. Then contact him and ask him to desist. Once you know who he is and confront him he will probably stop immediately.

I agree with others. Litigation should be the absolute last resort. The likely hood that you come out cash positive is pretty much zero and the opportunity cost to you will be huge. The legal battle will consume your time and money literally for years. That is time and money you can use to promote/improve your business.

Right now you need to concentrate on stay in business activities. Just silently delete, delete, delete and try to give him as little thought as you can. The more he consumes your time the more he wins.

The biggest help we as forum members can do is inform you via pm if we see his activity and not interact with that activity should it occur. It takes 2 to have an argument.
This.^

Just destroy his existence, it will hurt more than any litigation, you could also write a little 'Without prejudice' missive to Pansch (whoever they are, I've never heard of them)but threaten them on the assumption he's an employee and they'll probably react favorably as well.

User avatar
iriejohn
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2029
Joined: Fri Dec 18, 2015 11:04 pm
Weight: 81kg, 1.80m
Local Beach: 50.7752° N, 0.9077° W
Style: This 'n that
Gear: Lieuwe Shotgun 138 x 42
Ozone Enduro V2 7m/9m/12m
Ocean Rodeo Flite 14.5m Aluula
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Noviomagus Reginorum
Has thanked: 284 times
Been thanked: 137 times

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby iriejohn » Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:12 pm

Toby wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:18 pm
Not if you win.
The looser pays.

And this is a clear case
But if he simply does not pay, then what?

You have to make a business decision.

As plummet says above "the more he consumes your time the more he wins".

User avatar
jakemoore
Very Frequent Poster
Posts: 2017
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 3:59 am
Gear: Foil and 1strut kites.
Brand Affiliation: None
Location: Oleander
Has thanked: 57 times
Been thanked: 123 times
Contact:

Re: Foilholio wants to destroy kiteforum - any help to stop him appreciated

Postby jakemoore » Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:26 pm

CaptainCore wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:09 pm
Just destroy his existence, it will hurt more than any litigation, you could also write a little 'Without prejudice' missive to Pansch (whoever they are, I've never heard of them)but threaten them on the assumption he's an employee and they'll probably react favorably as well.
Pansh barely reacts to customers. I think it's a single person making kites in China. Maybe they are working for the CCP to make kiteboarding lame and demoralize people in the rest of the world? I doubt they would respond to any stimulus other than an order for a kite on the website. Why waste any time with them?
plummet wrote: Just silently delete his accounts and posts as they pop up. Do not make anymore fan fare about foilholio. Delete any and every post he has ever had on Kiteforum. Once you have received info you need on this thread delete it. Just keep removing data without online comment. Don't ever mention his name again. Just delete as required.


This is the best advise.
These users thanked the author jakemoore for the post (total 2):
edt (Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:14 am) • iriejohn (Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:46 am)
Rating: 16.67%


Return to “Kitesurfing”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], Google [Bot] and 9 guests