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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby IDAVIS » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:07 pm

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Joel,
Are you talking about the PFI730? if so then the answer is yes you will have an extended wind range over the 633. If you are talking about the PTM730, then you will either need to get more out of your power stroke on the Peak 6 or add the 8 m. The PTM730 is the higher aspect wing, I find it harder to get up on in light wind, it of course needs a little more forward speed (not much compared to the 633) to get up on the plain.
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hi

what ir the diference between PFI and PTM?

in the web site from SS only see the PTM 730

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby grigorib » Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:44 pm

granit02 wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 11:59 am
….The PTM730 is the higher aspect wing… needs a little more forward speed (not much compared to the 633) to get up on the plain.
Grant
It’s quite a misleading statement. 730 is needs way more speed to fly and has way higher stall speed compared to 633, unless you weight 110 lbs (for which 633 would be not even much rideable)

IDAVIS wrote:
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what ir the diference between PFI and PTM?
in the web site from SS only see the PTM 730
Pics from a PDF you can find here in the deep of the threads about two years ago.
I don’t think low aspect 730 is even out yet and at the pace Phantasm gear gets released it will be surpassed and made irrelevant by other brands

Slingshot should have started selling Phantasm wings and so many of Moses riders would be riding them since Moses is also slow.
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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby granit02 » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:39 pm

grigorib,
I'm not sure if you have ridden both the PFI633 and the PTM730 back to back or at all. I have and can honestly say the 730PTM dose not require much more wind at all. The stall speed is of course is different, however, its surprisingly good. Note I'm 80kg and 6'3" tall.
As for the PFI730 not making it to the market, maybe not your market yet, they are currently being used in Western Australia as part of the Wind foil setups. https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Win ... Oz?page=-2
The PFI730 is a low aspect wing designed off the Infinity 76 wing. The PTM730 is a mid-high aspect wing designed by Tony Logoz, (he also designed the PFI633/Onda).
If you want to see all the phantasm wings, talk with your local Slingshot dealer.

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby IDAVIS » Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pm

ok

big thanks for the repost, its veri interesting information, now i ride with the Phantasm 633 and i woild like more speed, doy you think the ptm 730 its a good idea?

the PFI730 its not avaliable in my country (spain) and i dont found in europe... but the PTM 730 seems a good wing !!

big thanks

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:23 pm

granit02 wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:39 pm
grigorib,
I'm not sure if you have ridden both the PFI633 and the PTM730 back to back or at all. I have and can honestly say the 730PTM dose not require much more wind at all. The stall speed is of course is different, however, its surprisingly good. Note I'm 80kg and 6'3" tall.
As for the PFI730 not making it to the market, maybe not your market yet, they are currently being used in Western Australia as part of the Wind foil setups. https://www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Win ... Oz?page=-2
The PFI730 is a low aspect wing designed off the Infinity 76 wing. The PTM730 is a mid-high aspect wing designed by Tony Logoz, (he also designed the PFI633/Onda).
If you want to see all the phantasm wings, talk with your local Slingshot dealer.
Hi Grant,
I give full credit and deeply thankful to Tony for bringing 590/633 and other wings back in 2017. Unfortunately dealers don’t share more than official info Slingshot is publishing and I recall some premature information from Australia webpage listing even sizes (6/8/10) of smaller Turbine to become available - that’s why I’m cautious on what will actually end up being released and what will remain a prototype.

I’ve seen both wings, could but haven’t ridden them but I know miracles don’t happen and freerace wings are never an answer to lowend riding. Happened to my 800 being just insufficient for times when others ride 1500 sq.cm wings on nowadays “enormous” 9m kites. That’s why I keep a line - race/freeride/lightwind wings and I’d still take them all on a trip.
I just don’t want to potentially confuse folks telling them 730 freerace would have very similar lowend to 633. Maybe for lighter guys and girls

I’m sure an advanced rider can push a race wing almost hover but many folks can’t and that’s why large wings like 633 picked up in an explosive way 3.5 years ago. Again, thanks to Gunnar for “showing us the way” in his Jan ‘18 633 review video.

What I’m saying - guys should get both 730 and 633

P.S. In the link you’re saying that Phantasm 1001 wing is closest to Moses 1100 which is also a mistake. 1001 might be close to Moses 1000, yet Moses 1100 is twice as large and twice as thick profile as 1000. Can you explain why you think so please?

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby grigorib » Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:04 pm

IDAVIS wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pm
ok

big thanks for the repost, its veri interesting information, now i ride with the Phantasm 633 and i woild like more speed, doy you think the ptm 730 its a good idea?

the PFI730 its not avaliable in my country (spain) and i dont found in europe... but the PTM 730 seems a good wing !!

big thanks
790-like wing is barely kiteable unless you’re 150 kilo person. How much do you weigh and what brand/wings are you riding now?

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby granit02 » Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:23 am

Grigory,

Interesting that you call the PTM730 a free race wing, I never thought of it as that, I only ride strapless on a 1 m board, speed wasn't really what attracted me to the PTM730. It has crazy lift, and glide which for me makes a great all round foil. ( go to the 10 minute mark ish, Brandon talks about the characteristics of the PTM730.

Why I suggested the PTM 1001. I was looking at what the wing is good for I see both wings being great for down winding with extended glide.

Having multiple wings to me seems only logical to cover the range of sports and conditions that I ride in.
My setups are PTM 730 for all around kiting, PFI633 for lighter wind and high wind and wave kite foiling (although I'm going to add the PFI730 for this) for winging I have the PTM926 coming, Ill also use the PFI730 for winging and maybe even the PTM730.

Ya gotta love the ability to mix it up, one mast two fuses, and 4 wings. That's the beauty of the Phantasm.

Cheers

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby IDAVIS » Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:46 am

grigorib wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:04 pm
IDAVIS wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:47 pm
ok

big thanks for the repost, its veri interesting information, now i ride with the Phantasm 633 and i woild like more speed, doy you think the ptm 730 its a good idea?

the PFI730 its not avaliable in my country (spain) and i dont found in europe... but the PTM 730 seems a good wing !!

big thanks
790-like wing is barely kiteable unless you’re 150 kilo person. How much do you weigh and what brand/wings are you riding now?

hi, i want the pfi730 not the 790

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Re: Slingshot Phantasm 730 vs 657

Postby granit02 » Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:00 pm

IDAVIS,

Take a look at this thread on seabreeze, I know its about wind foiling but they talk about the PFI730 in detail.
I intend to kite foil one in high wing when there is swell around in the bay where, using a small kite. not sure how it will go. I will also use in for winging too.
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