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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby RadDrDuke » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:05 pm

I will gladly pay $2500 for an Aluula Airush Ultra

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby Windigo1 » Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:19 pm

RadDrDuke wrote:
Tue Apr 20, 2021 4:05 pm
I will gladly pay $2500 for an Aluula Airush Ultra
That would be amazing the Ultra is already pretty close to the weight of the Aluula kites with 3 struts!

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby bjw » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:22 am

They were saying it was 10 times as strong, yet I don't get why they don't half they thickness and weight of it so it's only 5 times as strong, lighter and cheaper?

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby leeuwen » Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:18 am

bjw wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:22 am
They were saying it was 10 times as strong, yet I don't get why they don't half they thickness and weight of it so it's only 5 times as strong, lighter and cheaper?
Because it depends on what you measure how much stronger it is. It is actually on the Ocean Rodeo website of you look for aluula attributes.
Basically tear strength for aluula gold is about 6x but tensile strength is just double that of Dacron.

I *think* the black aluula they did the initial tear demo with was actually a heavier variant so they also kinda already did what you said.

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby SolarSet » Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:54 am

bjw wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:22 am
They were saying it was 10 times as strong, yet I don't get why they don't half they thickness and weight of it so it's only 5 times as strong, lighter and cheaper?
Its sometimes more practical & cheaper to manufacture material with certain properties, material trend for thickness vs straight is definitely not straight line but a curve meaning that reducing thickens by 50% can affect straight by 80% for example.
IMHO Aluula is expensive not only because it's probably expensive to make but mainly because they can make more money making fewer kites as people are willing to pay. Once they sell it to all those who are willing to pay premium price will go down to expand market for more customers.

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby EastCC » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:22 pm

SolarSet wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:54 am
bjw wrote:
Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:22 am
They were saying it was 10 times as strong, yet I don't get why they don't half they thickness and weight of it so it's only 5 times as strong, lighter and cheaper?
IMHO Aluula is expensive not only because it's probably expensive to make but mainly because they can make more money making fewer kites as people are willing to pay. Once they sell it to all those who are willing to pay premium price will go down to expand market for more customers.
Aluula, as a company, do not make kites - they make Aluula material.
Fewer kites = less money.

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby airsail » Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:52 pm

I did read somewhere that the directors of Ocean Rodeo were also the directors of the Aluula manufacturing company, I don’t know if this is true or not.
If so, they won’t be reducing the Aluula cloth price anytime soon as it would allow competitors to under cut them. There is a finite market for super high end kites and wings, why wouldn’t Ocean Rodeo keep it for themselves.

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby SolarSet » Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:41 pm

Less kites sold at higher prices = more money with less hassle
If they wanted to sell more they would make it cheaper and this will happen eventually when everyone who wants to pay premium eventually get their kites.
Now only competition could really make OR to reduce their price but it doesn’t seem like they have anything similar to Aluula.

I’m not bothered that much as I ride only TT and for LW at my 92kg foil kite will have better LW although I would be willing to pay extra for LEI that would have similar LW to my Soul but gives less hassle

This company is from Canada as well hence I’m sure OR and Aluula are somehow linked

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby leeuwen » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:02 am

Connection to Ocean Rodeo is plain to see/find on the Aluula site:

Richard Myerscough - Founder
Richard is a serial entrepreneur and the founder of Ocean Rodeo Sports Inc

And

John Zimmerman - COO
Over the past 16 years, he has managed the daily operations of Ocean Rodeo and became a shareholder in the company

https://aluula.com/brand-story/

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Re: When will Aluula make it to other brands?

Postby MKM » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:50 pm

I really liked the demo of Aluula when I saw it at the AWSI 2 years ago. Very impressive. I guess that the issue will remain that the benefits offered may suffer in comparison to price. Furthermore, while the strength is truly impressive, the LE and Struts aren't the key areas that generally suffer durability issues. The canopy is really the area on a kite that benefits from stronger ripstop, etc. From a price to weight perspective, focusing on lighter bladder materials and other design characteristics offer huge rewards at prices that are tolerable. In any case, it's great to see new and better materials like Aluula and Nano Ripstop raising the bar. I"m sure that with the massive growth in wing that suppliers will continue to push innovation. It's a good time to be a kiter!


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